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- From: dbj@cs.washington.edu (Dave Johnson)
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- Subject: Re: PRES DEBATE
- Message-ID: <1992Nov16.192032.11866@beaver.cs.washington.edu>
- Date: 16 Nov 92 19:20:32 GMT
- Article-I.D.: beaver.1992Nov16.192032.11866
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- In article <MARTINC.92Nov14160302@hatteras.cs.unc.edu> martinc@hatteras.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin) writes:
- >In article <92318.104242SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA (Graydon) writes:
- >
- >
- > plant for short term gain is generally regarded as a bad idea (at least
- > by my understanding of things.) The planet is 'our' (everybody's) joint
- > capital plant.
- >
- > If the accounting were to include the enviromental damage as a cost
- > how profitable would 'dirty' industries be?
- >
- >I don't know, how long *is* a piece of rope?
- >
- >It obviously depends on how you cost it. Check out Garret Hardin's
- >_Filters Against Folly_ for a long discussion of the problems with that
- >kind of cost-based argument. But in the short form, it depends on how
- >you evaluate "damage". For example, what is the "value" of one acre of
- >wetlands, or one slightly differentiated species? Many environmental
- >activists will say that a species' value is immense, beyond valuation:
- >this leads to a costing where any economic cost is less than the immense
- >value.
- >
- >This is the costing model that is causing all the trouble in the
- >Northwest US right now: what is the value of the western subspecies of a
- >particular owl, compared to the economic loss to the region if timbering
- >is made impossible to protect that species?
-
- Hmmm, I would say it is this sort of all-or-nothing rhetoric
- that causes a lot of the trouble right now. There are only a
- few extremists who are proposing making timbering impossible,
- and even that is referring only to public lands. Just because
- Dan Quayle said we could have owls OR jobs doesn't mean we have
- to choose between them. Most of the environmentalists are asking
- that SOME ancient forests be left uncut--unfortunately, at this
- time there's only SOME left, so the environmentalists are in the
- position of asking that most all of the remaining ancient forests
- be left uncut.
- --
- Dave Johnson
-
- "You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man."
- --Kathleen Turner in Body Heat
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