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- From: wiggins@lightning.cs.odu.edu (Samuel E Wiggins)
- Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
- Subject: Re: Jesus is a Prophet, not Son of God
- Message-ID: <Nov.22.17.55.25.1992.11996@farside.rutgers.edu>
- Date: 22 Nov 92 22:55:26 GMT
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- Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, VA, USA
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- In article <WIGGINS.92Nov17122722@hurricane.cs.odu.edu> wiggins@hurricane.cs.odu.edu (Samuel E Wiggins) writes:
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- >I don't believe you got up this morning. Prove that you did. Or, maybe
- >you only believe you got up this morning, and this is all a silly dream.
- I'm not arguing that I got up this morning. Presumably you are arguing
- that Jesus was crucified and resurrected. However, I could provide
- the sorts of proof that are generally considered sufficient in science
- that I woke up this morning--pictures of me at my workstation, time
- stamped EEGs, time stamped polygraphs, that sort of thing to prove
- it in the usual scientific fashion. I doubt you can do the same for
- any of the claims that Mr. Hudson is making.
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- Well, you still can't prove to me that you ever woke up, even using these
- scientific instruments. I could always interpret the facts differently,
- or claim your facts were forged or came from incomplete or invalid testing.
- Moreover, your scientific testing methods cannot be applied in this instance,
- heavily for hard proof were : these scientific instruments you rely on so
- in question. They only had what was available, just writing and word of
- mouth; things that don't really stand up to scientific testing well
- anyway.
- How come people who never became Christians agreed that weird things were
- going on and miracles happened? Witness the Quran. People in Palestine
- at that time other than the followers of Christ.
- Another question:
- Why believe 90% of a newspaper which only tells of events without hard
- scientific scrutiny? (Is it because there are witnesses one can refer
- if need be? Both pro and con for the subject known as fact.)
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- >So. Don't skirt the issue. Address what I Peter says, regardless of the
- >fact that Peter did write it. :)
- You're begging the question. It only follows that Peter believed what
- 1 Peter says if it is shown that Peter wrote 1 Peter. Since this
- has not been shown, I do not need to show that 1 Peter does not
- indicate a belief in resurrection to show that it does not logically
- follow from 1 Peter that Peter believed in resurrection.
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- Say again? Why don't you take a "suppose Peter wrote 1 Peter approach."
- Then take a "suppose he didn't." Try to argue from each possibility.
- Would this affect your conclusions?
- Even aside from Peter, 1 Peter makes claim to the resurrection; here
- another person is claiming Christ rose from the dead. This must still
- be proven false, independent of who the writer was. To blow him off
- simply because he's not famous and doesn't have clout doesn't disprove
- what he's saying. (It really makes no difference to me whether Peter
- wrote 1 Peter or not, though I personally believe he did; what does matter is
- that some Christian wrote 1 Peter who believed in the resurrection.)
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