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- From: han@npg-sd.sandiegoca.ncr.com (Chuck Han)
- Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
- Subject: Re: There is no god, REALLY?
- Message-ID: <Nov.19.01.58.08.1992.836@geneva.rutgers.edu>
- Date: 19 Nov 92 06:58:08 GMT
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- In <Nov.18.01.23.05.1992.6880@klinzhai.rutgers.edu> msh9848@hertz.njit.edu (-Unknown-) writes:
-
- >This is a challenge to Xtians out here. Convince me to believe in Xtianity
- >without quoting the bible. If you prefer , do it by email.
- >I do not believe that "god" gave man the bible nor do I believe in
- >god, heaven or hell. Also I can not be convinced using hell fire and
- >brimstone fear tactics.
-
- I can think of so many smart-ass replys to your posting, but I
- didn't think that would be Christian like. I must say, it was
- tempting though(Gee, that explains why there are so many Christians
- including myself, are still in this spring training).
-
- Matt, you know a lot about Christianity already. You heard that:
-
- STUFF YOU HEARD ALREADY IGNORE THIS PART
- ============================== ================
- God exists. Psalms 115:3
- Bible was given by God. 2 Timothy 3:16
- Heaven & Hell exists. Matthew 13:42-43
-
- I am sure you also heard that:
- Everyone is a sinner. Romans 3:10
- Sinners must die. Romans 6:23a
- but God gave us the eternal life Romans 6:23b
- as a gift through Jesus
- Christ our Lord.
- So, If you confess your with your Romans 10:9-10
- mouth, Jesus is Lord, and
- believe in your heart that
- God raised Him from the dead,
- you will be saved.
-
- Did you ever receive a gift, Matt? I am sure you've received lots
- of gifts for Christmas, Birthdays, Graduations, etc. But, when you
- saw those gifts about to be handed over to you, did you challenge your
- parents, relatives, friends to MAKE you receive them? Probably not.
- You freely accepted them, becase you knew they loved you. Right Matt?
-
- Same thing with Jesus. Eternal life in heaven is a GIFT from God.
- It's up to you to accept it or you can ignore it. It's up to you, Matt.
- God doesn't MAKE anyone to receive him as a gift, including yourself.
- I know, it's too expensive of a gift. I felt the same way, that's
- why it took so long before I could accept it.
-
- Hope you accept the once in a life time gift on this upcoming Christmas.
-
- Maranatha,
- CHuck
-
- P.S. Sorry about the references to the Bible. I guess I am
- disqualified as a challenger to convince you.
-