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- From: ELAWRENCE@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU
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- Subject: A Strand of Bigotry
- Date: 23 Nov 1992 08:26:47 -0600
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- From: ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Jack B. Nimble)
- Subject:Re: A Strand of Bigotry
- Date: 21 Nov 92 01:37:04 PST
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-
- Newsbaum blathers as follows:
-
- >Right! Edgar J Lawrence II asserts the following:
-
- >>For far too long, people on this group having been taking
- >>this Gary Strand character more seriously than he deserves.
- >>He has repeatedly claimed that he has the right to practice
- >>bigotry. He calls it "discrimination," but it should be
- >>obvious to everyone that he is a particularly vicous bigot
- >>who uses half-baked Libertarian rhetoric to rationalize his
- >>bigotry.
-
- >You've totally mischaracterized what Gary Strand actually wrote,
-
- Bullshit. I characterized it quite accurately, which is what is ACTUALLY
- bothering Newsbaum so much.
-
- >which
- >is actually fairly typical of totalitarian tinkerbell thinking.
-
- Note the obvious homophobic sneer "tinkerbell." Yes, I'm gay, I'm a self-
- respecting gay man, and as far as I'm concerned, I'm a hell of a lot more of a
- man than you any day. For one thing, I'm not a lying bigot.
-
- >What he
- >claimed was that neither individuals nor the government have the right
- >to forcibly prevent other people from discriminating.
-
- Previous postings, perhaps here, perhaps in talk/politics.misc, have noted
- Newsbaum's own bigotry. As I recall, one string was actually titled "The
- Racism of Jack S." Newsbaum actually has the sheer unmitigated gall to
- raise this old, totally discredited rationalization for bigotry and claim that
- it is a "right." Well, now we see who is ACTUALLY inventing rights, and it isn't
- those heinous liberals.
-
- >This no more makes
- >one a bigot than does supporting the right of Nazis to march in Skokie
- >make one a Nazi or does upholding the right of fundamentalist Christian
- >churches to preach that homosexuality is a sin make one a fundy.
-
- Claiming a nonexistent "right" to practice bigotry most certainly does make
- someone a bigot. Newsbaum's other two examples grossly misrepresent some
- inconvenient (for Newsbaum) reality. First, the Nazis are a terrorist organi-
- zation, pure and simple, whether or not good widdle wibewals and pwogwessives
- want to acknowledge it. Second, the fundagelicals are doing a lot worse than
- preaching that "homosexuality is a sin" (Newsbaum also fails to note that the
- "homosexuality is a sin" claim is a malevolent, bigoted lie), they are
- actively engaged in ACTIONS which seek to oppress and persecute gay men &
- lesbians.
-
- >This so-called "half-baked libertarian rhetoric" about the basic right
- >to be left alone
-
- Self-serving misrepresentation. Claiming a nonexistent "right to discriminate"
- is clearly a claim that you have a "right" to unjustly interfere in the rights
- of others.
-
- >protects not only the bigot but gays as well from
- >the oppressive and overbearing power of majoritarian government that
- >would overreach its domain and extend itself into everyone's private
- >life.
-
- What disgusting hypocrisy! And who is supposed to protect me and other self-
- respecting gay men & lesbians from the bigots like Newsbaum & Strand who
- maliciously claim that they have a "right" to discriminate against us? It is
- the DUTY of government to protect people from the bigotry of the Newsbaums,
- Strands, and Cramers of this world.
-
- > =Jack=
- >---
- >
- >Jack B. Newsbaum You have rights antecedent to all earthly
- >Library Information Systems governments; rights that cannot be
- >University Research Library repealed or restrained by human law.
- >ecl4jn2@mvs.oac.ucla.edu - John Adams
-
- This vague, isolated statement DOES NOT mean that there is any sort of "right
- to discriminate."
-
- Edgar J. Lawrence
-
-