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- From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
- Subject: Hate Crime (was Re: "Gay-Bashing")
- Message-ID: <1992Nov22.030837.23856@macc.wisc.edu>
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- Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
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- Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 03:08:37 GMT
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- In article <46136@ogicse.ogi.edu> markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark
- Morrissey) writes:
-
-
- >In article <BxyCuE.AB@nic.umass.edu>
- >quilty@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Humberto Humbertoldi) writes:
-
- >>I really don't think there SHOULD be specific laws against
- >>"gay-bashing," nor any of the other "hate-crimes" type laws which are
- >>popping up relative to other categories victims (race, sex, religion,
- >>etc.).
- >>[...] This seems like a fundemental abridgement of rights to free
- >>expression of belief, or even to simply BELIEVE a belief.
-
- >Excuse me. I know that further on you say things like
- >"assault is assault", but the above statement makes me
- >believe that you feel that gay bashing is a protected form
- >of expression.
-
- I think you deleted too much of the context, Mark. His
- point was not to sanction violent *acts* against anyone, but
- rather to assert that even hateful *beliefs* cannot be
- criminalized.
-
- >How can the existence of hate crime statutes be an
- >abridgement of the rights to free expression of belief?
-
- Some so-called hate crime statutes punish not acts of
- violence but rather acts of speech. Although most of those
- tested so far in the courts have been struck down as
- unconstitutional, this seems very likely to change in the
- near future. He's saying, in effect, that this would be a
- very bad thing, and I must agree.
-
- >[...]
-
- >I suggest a good class or book in social justice as a
- >starting point for understanding the need for recognizing
- >specialty crimes against humanity - of which hate crimes are
- >an example. Your claim that these crimes are "just assault"
- >is an attempt to diminish the special circumstances of the
- >crime and diminish the victims as well.
-
- You're right, I think, that there is much to study. For an
- uncomfortable read, I suggest the newly published book by
- Nat Hentoff, _Free Speech for Me, But Not for Thee: How the
- American Left and Right Relentlessly Censor Each Other_
- (HarperCollins, $25).
-
- <> You can fool too many of the people too much of the time.
- <> -- James Thurber
- --
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