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- From: comrade@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Peter Cooper)
- Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality
- Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
- Date: 21 Nov 1992 16:38:51 +0800
- Organization: The University of Western Australia
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- gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
-
- > It all depends on how we agree what "rights" there are, doesn't it? I don't
- > include housing, employment, medical care, &c as "rights". I do include
- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- what a sick society produced this person! Americans, arise
- and claim guaranteed medical care, and a living wage for all!
- Guaranteed medical care is generally cheaper, too. The US
- spends about 15% of GDP on heath care which misses the bottom
- 30% of the population, and which is not satisfactory for
- another 30% (due to cost etc). Some countries have national
- health care (like mine) and we pay as a society about 6% of
- GDP for something that reaches nearly everyone, and that is
- affordable, efficient, and on the whole pretty good.
- Tourists from here are often warned: "Don't get sick in the
- States".
-
- > free speech and the freedom of association (and the concomitant freedom of
- > dissociation) as rights. Yelling "faggot" at someone shouldn't land me in
- > jail, nor should refusing to hire a gay for a job I have.
-
- Look, free speech is all very well, but absolute freedoms probably cause
- as many problems as they solve. Villification laws impinge on your
- freedom of speech (but only a bit, about as much as having laws that
- permit you to sue for libel and slander) but certainly permit many
- people the chance at a semblance of a "normal" life. All I can say is
- that Canada seems a nicer place to live than the States - they have
- protection of basic rights in common law, but have erected a legislative
- rights structure that concentrates on justice for all (sometimes called
- social justice).
-
- Peter
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