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- From: dgilly@us.oracle.com (Daniel Gilly)
- Newsgroups: soc.motss
- Subject: Re: ""Gay rights group files complaint""
- Message-ID: <1992Nov20.175625.24981@oracle.us.oracle.com>
- Date: 20 Nov 92 17:56:25 GMT
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- In article <RHAYDEN.92Nov19205017@hqsun2.oracle.com> rhayden@oracle.com (Ronald Hayden) writes:
- >In article <38954@hoptoad.uucp> laura@hoptoad.uucp (Laura Creighton) writes:
- >
- > Thought experiement. Assume that one has to choose to be queer.
- > No genetic predisposition, no nothing. People just point blank
- > choose to be queer.
- >
- > What's so wrong with that?
- > (end thought experiment)
- >
- >Nothing, in my opinion. But the fact that it isn't a choice seems to
- >be a persuasive argument that makes people think a little deeper about
- >the subject.
-
- Some would argue this fact. I feel that the degree to which one
- feels it's a choice is somewhat related to the point in time when
- one identified "being different" from the social mainstream.
- For example, those who remember yearnings for motss at some early
- age, say 5, often feel they were born that way. I cannot, and am
- not, denying this is a fact *for them*.
-
- However, IMHO, the argument that it isn't a choice makes people think
- *less* deeply. As you note below:
-
- >Note that the Catholic church finally recognizes the lack of choice,
- >and therefore is forced to take a (somewhat) more liberal position on
- >gays.
-
- If I'm not mistaken the church's position is, "Love the sinner, but
- not the sin."
-
- I think Laura's point, which is a good one, is that we need to focus
- on a different issue: the idea that homosexuality is *not* a sin.
- Hence, it doesn't matter whether it's chosen or innate.
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