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- From: owen@autodesk.com (D. Owen Rowley)
- Newsgroups: soc.motss
- Subject: Re: Fundamentalists and the clitoris
- Message-ID: <17964@autodesk.COM>
- Date: 19 Nov 92 01:27:01 GMT
- References: <9NOV92.11344298@enh.nist.gov> <Bxv786.DAp@fig.citib.com>
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- In article <Bxv786.DAp@fig.citib.com>, glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes
- > >, solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay) writes:
-
- > |> It turns out that both of these organs are Good Things to have,
- > |> since they're fun to play with... but this was not a factor in
- > |> their evolution. Females of other specieas can have orgasms from
- > |> clitoral stimulation, yet their natural sexual positions almost
- > |> never produce this. (Must have been fun for the scientists to
- > |> determine this...) In this sense, female orgasm is also an
- > |> evolutionary accident, though a fortuitous one. I hasten to say
- > |> that evolution is not a moral arbiter. There is reason to believe
- > |> that language is also an evolutionary accident, but I'm glad we
- > |> have it.
-
- > I hate it when human sexuality gets compared to and
- > defined using lower animal behaviors. Human sexuality
- > is a complicated and subtle thing, and human sexual desires
- > and needs and expression cannot be explained simply in
- > terms of the "functional" penis and "non-functional"
- > clitoris.
-
- But sexuality has evolved from our animal ancestors like all of our
- other aspects. Clearly there is room for the wide view, wouldn't you
- agree?
-
- the recent discoverys regarding the bonobos are most fascinating.
-
- I find the social POV that sex organs are holy and that
- what you do with them or how you do it should be governed by
- religious dogma infinitly more disturbing than the POV
- that these organs and their function are determined by
- biological formulas.
-
- > There are so many basic differences (a big
- > one being that human females do not change appearance
- > when they are in a fertile period) that comparisons
- > like this are specious.
-
- um, there are some very real changes in women that can be measured.
- I think what you mean is that human reproduction is not intrinsicly tied
- to an estrus cycle, but that factor is not unique to our species.
-
- > And language is a virus from outer space according to
- > Wm Burroughs. I'm inclined to agree.
-
- Me too, I also believe that all words hypnotize.
-
- LUX ./. owen
-
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- D. Owen Rowley {uunet,fernwood,sun}!autodesk!owen
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