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- From: coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren)
- Subject: Re: discrimination at CMU
- Message-ID: <1992Nov18.223251.4117@osf.org>
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- Organization: Open Software Foundation
- References: <1992Nov16.195358.15986@oracle.us.oracle.com> <1e938tINNpgo@mizar.usc.edu> <1992Nov17.160658.29988@osf.org> <1eb9kqINNcrj@mizar.usc.edu>
- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:32:51 GMT
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- In article <1eb9kqINNcrj@mizar.usc.edu>, adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
- > In article <1992Nov17.160658.29988@osf.org>
- > coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
- > > This is extremely interesting. Either I missed something, or you've
- > > been holding out on us, Arne...
- >
- > Well, I did *hint* that I know about more than was posted
- > about this, and from the other side. (I did say that I've
- > been connected tangentially to the UCLA theater department
- > for the last 15 years and that I know a former CMU faculty
- > member (who's now on the UCLA faculty, shaking up UCLA's
- > acting program the way he shook up CMU's 10 years ago).)
-
- Well, I guess I missed the reference to the CMU faculty member. I
- understood the reference to the UCLA theater dept. to be intended
- to indicate some knowledgeability about drama programs in general.
-
- > > If you actually knew that the facts were otherwise, or incomplete as
- > > presented, it might have saved a lot of mostly useless argument if you
- > > had said so much earlier.
- >
- > Are you chiding me, Mr. Coren? Well! I was treading on
- > eggshells throughout the argument, particularly as I could
- > smell "I'm gonna sue!" in the air (even though the statute
- > of limitations has run out).
-
- Chiding? Me? Well, maybe a bit. I did realize, as I typed the above,
- that you might not be able to say anything very specific about what
- you did know or believe about the particular case, for exactly this
- sort of reason.
-
- > I still am surprised that
- > people seem to think a highly specialized, professionally-
- > oriented college acting program is like a bachelor's degree
- > program in chemistry, or is like acting in the real world.
- > CMU's program is like the (infamous) Iowa writing program --
- > the people who come out of it are extremely polished and
- > employable, and they're just like everyone else who's come
- > out of the program. Both seek to rub the rough edges off
- > students, and it is those rough edges that I, for one, am
- > interested in.
-
- I think I see now where a lot of the rancor came from in this
- discussion. I certainly missed the nuance that, in describing how
- CMU's acting program functions, you were not necessarily agreeing that
- that was how such a program *should* function. (Actually, upon
- rereading the above, I'm still not sure whether you think so or not.)
- It was easy enough to read your side as defending the right (in a
- moral sense) of CMU to discriminate against a future Franklin
- Pangborn. If you're surprised that this got people's backs up, then
- you're more easily surprised than I would have expected.
-