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- From: corwin+@CMU.EDU (Scott Safier)
- Subject: Re: discrimination at CMU
- In-Reply-To: msp@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu's message of 13 Nov 92 13:18:59 EST
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- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:37:39 GMT
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- In article <14660.2b03ab43@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> msp@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu (Michael S. Pettersen) writes:
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- In article <1992Nov11.225940.17254@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
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- >In article <CORWIN+.92Nov11123735@MORPHEUS.CIMDS.RI.CMU.EDU> corwin+@CMU.EDU (Scott Safier) writes:
- >>And it is homophobia for the Drama Department to be
- >>sending the message to its students that their sexual orientation is
- >>something to be hidden.
- >
- >How someone pronounces their "s"es has little to do with sexual orientation,
- >and working on that or other effeminate mannerisms has nothing to do with
- >"hiding" a sexual orientation. Sorry, you'll get no sympathy from me there.
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- So Jimmy Stewart should have been thrown out of the CMU drama program?
- Would he have been, if he had been in it? Is lishping acceptable but
- lithping not? Why?
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- A better example is Renee Auberjenoui (I know I spelled that wrong),
- who is a CMU alumnus and is a very effeminate man.
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- The problem I have with Steve's comment is the implicit assumption
- that lisping is a sterotypic gay behavior. Steve and others seem to
- be arguing that there are a core group of mannerisms, such as lisping,
- swishing when you walk, etc which make you "effeminate" or "act gay."
- It seems that they are arguing that gay actors must overcome being gay
- in order to be real actors.
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- First, I don't beleive that there are a core group of behaviors which
- all gay men have. The Theater Week article mentions a number of times
- examples when men were told they were acting too effeminate on stage.
- Our college paper asked someone in Drama if an actor had ever been
- told they are acting too butch. This person mentioned a production of
- Torch Song Trilogy where the actor playing Arnold was told he was
- being too butch. I believe this example to be homophobic. It
- perpetuates the stereotype that gay men are effeminate. I believe
- that just as African American's object to portrayal's such as Aunt
- Jamima and Buckwheat, gays and lesbians should object to negative
- stereotypes about our community.
-
- I beleive this to be the issue which is occurring at CMU -- not
- whether actors can act.
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- Scott
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