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- From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
- Newsgroups: soc.motss
- Subject: Effeminacy/Butchitude (was Re: discrimination at CMU)
- Date: 18 Nov 1992 13:03:43 -0800
- Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
- Lines: 62
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- References: <1992Nov11.225940.17254@spdcc.com> <14660.2b03ab43@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> <CORWIN+.92Nov18123739@MORPHEUS.CIMDS.RI.CMU.EDU>
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- In article <CORWIN+.92Nov18123739@MORPHEUS.CIMDS.RI.CMU.EDU>
- corwin+@CMU.EDU (Scott Safier) writes:
-
- > Steve and others seem to
- > be arguing that there are a core group of mannerisms, such as lisping,
- > swishing when you walk, etc which make you "effeminate" or "act gay."
-
- Honey, there ain't no way I'd be mistaken for straight.
- It's the tragedy of my life. I've never had to come out
- to anyone (since I was 15, that is, and even then it wasn't
- news to anyone). People take one look at me, or listen to
- my voice for a second or two, and they *KNOW* I'm gay. Why
- might that be, do you think?
-
- > It seems that they are arguing that gay actors must overcome being gay
- > in order to be real actors.
-
- Sigh.
-
- > First, I don't beleive that there are a core group of behaviors which
- > all gay men have.
-
- And just who is claiming that all gay men are "gay acting"?
-
- > The Theater Week article mentions a number of times
- > examples when men were told they were acting too effeminate on stage.
- > Our college paper asked someone in Drama if an actor had ever been
- > told they are acting too butch. This person mentioned a production of
- > Torch Song Trilogy where the actor playing Arnold was told he was
- > being too butch. I believe this example to be homophobic.
-
- What are you talking about?
-
- > It perpetuates the stereotype that gay men are effeminate.
-
- Do you even know the play? Are you aware that Arnold is an
- effeminate, swishy *drag* *queen*? That's the character.
- Playing him too butch is WRONG, and pointing that out is
- not homophobic.
-
- > I believe
- > that just as African American's object to portrayal's such as Aunt
- > Jamima and Buckwheat, gays and lesbians should object to negative
- > stereotypes about our community.
-
- Effeminate, swishy drag queens exist. And if you don't believe me,
- just drop by my neighborhood any night of the week and you'll see
- several dozen of them hanging around in front of our friendly
- neighborhood drag bar. Is there something wrong with drag queens?
- Or do you subscribe to GLAAD's reactionary agenda, which tries to
- paper over the non-1950s-Doris-Day-movie subcommunities within
- the gay/lesbian community?
-
- > I beleive this to be the issue which is occurring at CMU -- not
- > whether actors can act.
-
- I don't know what you're complaining about. You object to
- gay stereotypes, and CMU is, according to you, ejecting men
- who embody such stereotypes. You should be happy.
-
- Arne
-
-