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- From: sunderl@obvius.stl.dec.com (Mike Sunderland)
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- Subject: Re: Fundamentalists and the clitoris
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- Date: 17 Nov 92 05:02:46 GMT
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- bob@dolores.Stanford.EDU (Bob Lodenkamper) writes:
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- >Lucky you, not to have any idea of what the US religious right is up
- >to, or what they really think about sex.
-
- more quoted stuff deleted ...
-
- >Ostrich head-in-the-sand attitude, hysterical demonization of the
- >enemy, or a realistic appraisal of the current political situation?
- >It's easy to figure out --- look at who wins the political battles.
- >When the happy day comes that the religious right of the US is howling
- >alone on the lunatic fringe of the political landscape, able no longer to
- >disguise exactly what they want to do to this country by deluding the
- >clueless, I'll stop worrying about them.
-
- >Until then, I'll keep a sharp eye on those fascists. BTW, comparing
- >these vipers to tin-horn dictators like Hussein or Noriega is a waste
- >of keystrokes. The rise of Hitler in the Weimar republic is by far
- >the most relevant comparison.
-
- > If you want to be stereo-typed and caricatured then go right ahead
- > and keep on doing what your doing now, because it makes you sound
- > like a raving bloody loony. If you want to foster some
- > understanding and honesty, then be ready to listen and be listened
- > to.
-
- >Is someone actually paranoid if "they" are really out to get him? How
- >do you know what US fundies are like? I eagerly await a recitation of
- >your credentials. "It sounds crazy" simply isn't good enough. The
- >"It sounds crazy, it can't be real" attitude has led to complacency
- >and unpleasant defeats at the polls.
-
- >For instance, when do you think the last "monkey trial" (court case
- >over inclusion of evolution in public school curriculum) happened in
- >the US?
-
- >The Overton case was decided in 1982 (no, I did not get the date
- >wrong). Another related case was decided shortly thereafter. In the
- >Overton case, a state law mandating equal time for "scientific
- >creationism" and evolution in biology classes was struck down.
-
- >In case you haven't heard of "scientific creationism", that is what
- >the religious right calls their brand of biblical literalism: The
- >Earth was created in 4004BC, there really was a Flood (did you know
- >these loons write papers about "flood geology" in an attempt to
- >explain away basic geological facts to fit their biblical timetable),
- >etc., etc., ad infinitum.
-
- > And BTW, isn't there a lot more to life than seeking
- > pleasurable experiences?
-
- >Do what you will with your life. But do you actually presume to judge
- >what other people do with their lives when such activities don't
- >affect you? If so, you'd fit right in with the religious right, right
- >here in the good ol' USofA.
-
- >- Bob
-
- So what do I have to do to qualify? ;-)
-
- Seriously though, what is it that pisses you off about the "religious right"
- so much? I mean what makes the religious right the bad guys?
-
- Ok, they hold a world view that is probably seriously at odds with yours.
- They think you are doing something morally wrong in having sex with a partner
- of the same gender as yourself. AND they want to make sure that everybody
- hears about what they have to say about it. Are they wrong just because they
- disagree with you and disaprove of something that you hold very dear, or is
- there more to it than that? And what does all this creationism stuff have to
- do with the subject?? Enlighten me.
-
- BTW, on the judgement thing - am I not allowed to hold an opinion about what
- other people do just because their activities don't affect me? If I don't like
- what you do does that mean I am judging you? Is it ok for me to believe that
- some things are open to personal preference while some other things are not?
-
- I'm not trying to stir up a flame war or poke fun at anyone, but I do want to
- understand. I am often annoyed when I see people talking and acting as though
- sexual immorality were the only kind of immorality - ignoring things like
- greed, corruption, dishonesty and all kinds of injustice. But I think maybe you
- have some other concerns?
-
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