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- From: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Anthony Berno)
- Newsgroups: soc.motss
- Subject: Bears and Lookism (was: Marky Mark)
- Message-ID: <1992Nov17.213558.4677@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca>
- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:35:58 GMT
- References: <69666@cup.portal.com>
- Sender: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca
- Reply-To: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca
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- Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
- > Well, not quite. He's an ugly white boy who thinks he's
- > black and does rap music to prove it..... *UGH*.
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- richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel) writes:
- > I find your statement above to be fairly racist and worthy
- > of calling to your attention. Surely you did not mean
- > it to sound as it reads? On the other hand, considering
- > how anti-anything-but-bears you've established yourself
- > to be, perhaps you mean what you wrote in a most offensive
- > way. I'll hope not and look for a clarification.
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- John Dorrance writes:
- > Hear hear. I've been wondering to myself if George's
- > hystronics could be interpreted as sexist and racist;
- > discussion?
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- Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
- > Try looking at it from the perspective of a Bear who's
- > sick and tired of being "invisible" in the mainstream
- > gay media -- much as many gay people are tired of being
- > nonexistent in the mainstream media of this country.
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- Interesting discussion. How about the perspective of someone who is ugly?
- You yourself insulted Marky Mark as being "ugly", following it up by
- "UGH". The fate of bears is not *nearly* so difficult as those who simply
- do not have marketable looks at all. Bears have at least some exposure in
- mainstream gay media, and also have their own cultural institutions. How
- many porn magazines, advertisements, or TV shows do you see featuring
- amputees? People with port-wine birthmarks on their faces? Ones that
- simply are ugly? Your discussions of the marginalization of bears will
- carry no weight until you stop making such expressions of lookism.
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- As a person who is very often attracted to those that are *quite* far from
- what any media source considers marketable, it absolutely kills me to see
- how absolutely devastating media (and interpersonal) lookism can be to an
- individual. Personal tastes are fine; like you, I have no sexual taste for
- the hairless set. But saying "ugh" is just plain cruel.
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- So if you are going to complain about the invisibility of bears, think
- twice about the way you speak of others.
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- -Anthony
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