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- From: fritzs@microsoft.com (Fritz Sands)
- Subject: Re: A Strand of Bigotry
- Message-ID: <1992Nov17.214254.11329@microsoft.com>
- Date: 17 Nov 92 21:42:54 GMT
- Organization: Microsoft Corporation
- References: <1992Nov13.175017.12469@oracle.us.oracle.com>
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- In article <1992Nov13.175017.12469@oracle.us.oracle.com> dgilly@us.oracle.com (Daniel Gilly) writes:
-
- (posting for Edgar Lawrence II)
-
- | For far too long, people on this group having been taking
- | this Gary Strand character more seriously than he deserves.
- | He has repeatedly claimed that he has the right to practice
- | bigotry. He calls it "discrimination," but it should be
- | obvious to everyone that he is a particularly vicous bigot
- | who uses half-baked Libertarian rhetoric to rationalize his
- | bigotry.
-
- Sorry, but it is not clear to me.
-
- I do not believe that Mr. Strand has ever stated that bigotry is ethically
- appropriate. He has stated that it should be legal. There is a major
- difference.
-
- | THERE IS NO RIGHT TO PRACTICE BIGOTRY.
-
- I do not use the concept of "rights", so I would agree with you. Mr. Strand
- has articulated, in numerous posts, a concept of "rights" in which there
- *is* a right to practice bigotry. Do you think that there is a "right"
- to not be affected by bigotry? Does a bigot have a comparable right to
- not be affected by Jews/blacks/gays/whatever?
-
- | That self-evident truth should not need to be stated,
-
- Self-evident always strikes me as a codeword for "I don't have any good
- arguements".
-
- | but it
- | seems that circumstances require that it be stated. Strand's
- | non-existent "freedom of dissociation" is precisely the same
- | rationalization that racists and their apologists used to
- | justify practicing racism.
-
- No. Racists come up with all sorts of reasons why racism is "good".
- "Freedom of association" is an arguement for why discrimination should
- be legally acceptable. There is a distinct difference.
-
- | In one of his more loathsome
- | postings he claimed "Yelling 'faggot' at someone shouldn't
- | land me in jail, nor should refusing to hire a gay for a job
- | I have." How much more proof of his malice is needed?
-
- Should yelling 'faggot' get someone put in jail? Should not hiring a
- gay for a job get someone put in jail?
-
- | Yelling "faggot" might not be grounds for being thrown in
- | jail, but it IS a "fighting word." By all rights, yelling
- | "faggot" at someone should, if possible, result in immediate
- | physical retaliation.
-
- The concepts of "fighting words" and "mutual combat" are deeply rooted in
- common law. I whole-heartedly approve of punching anyone yelling
- 'faggot'. In many areas (where the cops aren't *too* biased), one would
- not even face legal problems.
-
- | Edgar J. Lawrence II
-
- Fritz
-
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