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- From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
- Newsgroups: soc.motss
- Subject: Re: discrimination at CMU
- Date: 17 Nov 1992 09:20:26 -0800
- Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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- References: <1992Nov16.195358.15986@oracle.us.oracle.com> <1e938tINNpgo@mizar.usc.edu> <1992Nov17.160658.29988@osf.org>
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- In article <1992Nov17.160658.29988@osf.org>
- coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
- >In article <1e938tINNpgo@mizar.usc.edu>,
- > adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
- > > Absolutely my feelings on the matter, too. But I know one
- > > of the principles in this case, and the facts that have been
- > > presented so far are partial at best and do not take into
- > > consideration a whole host of other issues having to do
- > > with the change in adminstration that occured at the time
- > > and the unwillingness of a number of students to adjust
- > > to a restructured program.
- >
- > This is extremely interesting. Either I missed something, or you've
- > been holding out on us, Arne; this is the first indication *I've* seen
- > that you knew anything about this case apart from what Scott posted
- > here.
-
- Well, I did *hint* that I know about more than was posted
- about this, and from the other side. (I did say that I've
- been connected tangentially to the UCLA theater department
- for the last 15 years and that I know a former CMU faculty
- member (who's now on the UCLA faculty, shaking up UCLA's
- acting program the way he shook up CMU's 10 years ago).)
-
- > Judging from the latter, it seemed to me at least plausible that
- > there was something extra-curricular going on here, and that gay men
- > had been singled out (in substantial numbers) as targets.
-
- I still think it hightly unlikely that the mere fact they're
- gay is what did them in.
-
- > Meanwhile,
- > you seemed to be arguing from general principles about the role of a
- > drama school and the actors enrolled in it, implying strongly that
- > your view of what had happened was based on the evidence *as Scott had
- > presented it*.
-
- Even if I hadn't been a little familiar with the issue
- before it came up here, I would have argued the same way.
-
- > If you actually knew that the facts were otherwise, or incomplete as
- > presented, it might have saved a lot of mostly useless argument if you
- > had said so much earlier.
-
- Are you chiding me, Mr. Coren? Well! I was treading on
- eggshells throughout the argument, particularly as I could
- smell "I'm gonna sue!" in the air (even though the statute
- of limitations has run out). I still am surprised that
- people seem to think a highly specialized, professionally-
- oriented college acting program is like a bachelor's degree
- program in chemistry, or is like acting in the real world.
- CMU's program is like the (infamous) Iowa writing program --
- the people who come out of it are extremely polished and
- employable, and they're just like everyone else who's come
- out of the program. Both seek to rub the rough edges off
- students, and it is those rough edges that I, for one, am
- interested in. Besides, my idol, as I've written more
- than once here, has always been Franklin Pangborn, the movie
- sissy to end all movie sissies.
-
- Arne
-
-