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- From: coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren)
- Subject: Re: discrimination at CMU
- Message-ID: <1992Nov17.160658.29988@osf.org>
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- Organization: Open Software Foundation
- References: <BOB.92Nov11202308@dolores.Stanford.EDU> <sf0mgY600hNHIW9FQc@cs.cmu.edu> <1992Nov16.195358.15986@oracle.us.oracle.com> <1e938tINNpgo@mizar.usc.edu>
- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:06:58 GMT
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- In article <1e938tINNpgo@mizar.usc.edu>, adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
- > In article <1992Nov16.195358.15986@oracle.us.oracle.com>
- > schiles@us.oracle.com writes:
- >
- > > I've known and worked with *lots* of effiminate actors and there has
- > > been and always will be roles for them. Not necessarily "leading man"
- > > roles, but characters roles in abundance. I've seen some delicious,
- > > quirky, and wonderful performances by effiminate actors, and the theater
- > > would be a sadder place indeed if the drama schools began to turn out
- > > homogenized leading men.
- >
- > Absolutely my feelings on the matter, too. But I know one
- > of the principles in this case, and the facts that have been
- > presented so far are partial at best and do not take into
- > consideration a whole host of other issues having to do
- > with the change in adminstration that occured at the time
- > and the unwillingness of a number of students to adjust
- > to a restructured program.
-
- This is extremely interesting. Either I missed something, or you've
- been holding out on us, Arne; this is the first indication *I've* seen
- that you knew anything about this case apart from what Scott posted
- here. Judging from the latter, it seemed to me at least plausible that
- there was something extra-curricular going on here, and that gay men
- had been singled out (in substantial numbers) as targets. Meanwhile,
- you seemed to be arguing from general principles about the role of a
- drama school and the actors enrolled in it, implying strongly that
- your view of what had happened was based on the evidence *as Scott had
- presented it*.
-
- If you actually knew that the facts were otherwise, or incomplete as
- presented, it might have saved a lot of mostly useless argument if you
- had said so much earlier.
-