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- From: juola@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (Patrick Juola)
- Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
- Message-ID: <1992Nov16.172518.24370@colorado.edu>
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- Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
- References: <1992Nov12.191913.8438@ncar.ucar.edu> <GANDALF.92Nov13100556@damon.ccs.northeastern.edu> <1992Nov13.211949.8809@ncar.ucar.edu>
- Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:25:18 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov13.211949.8809@ncar.ucar.edu> rosinski@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Jim Rosinski) writes:
- > gandalf@dworkin.ccs.northeastern.edu (Thomas M Farrell) writes:
- >>In article <1992Nov12.191913.8438@ncar.ucar.edu> gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
- >>
- >> It does not deny homosexuals equal rights.
- >> ...it denies
- >> gays the use of the legal system to correct alleged cases of discrimination.
- >>
- >>Your self contradictions are showing, Dahlink.
- >>
- >> -Tom
- >
- >Not necessarily. From the text you have highlighted, it is clear that your
- >definition of "rights" involves the "legal system". In other words, a right
- >can come or go depending on what is legal or illegal.
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- Bzzt! Thank you for playing, but,....
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- > To some people (me for
- >one) a right is that which is yours by your nature as a human being. It is
- >not subject to negotiation, and can only be *recognized*, not *defined* by
- >what the law says.
-
- Ah, yes, yet another lunatic Randroid. What they, and you, seem never to
- realized is that an abstract right which is "yours by nature" but unrecognized
- by society/government/the legal system/&c is essentially useless. Even the
- heralded "right to think" (of which Randroids are so fond) doesn't exist if
- there are packs of armed thugs wandering around dosing people forcibly with
- mind-altering drugs. I submit that there is no "right" you can name which
- cannot be repeatedly violated by gangs of thugs with enough resources behind
- them.
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- - kitten
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