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- From: forb0004@student.tc.umn.edu (Eric Forbis)
- Subject: Re: Back Again To Father
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- References: <1992Nov10.035431.19484@zooid.guild.org> <1992Nov10.230421.15201@nas.nasa.gov> <forb0004.59.721688277@student.tc.umn.edu> <1992Nov17.001707.10599@nas.nasa.gov>
- Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:54:35 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov17.001707.10599@nas.nasa.gov> dking@raul.nas.nasa.gov (Dan King) writes:
- >ef>In article <forb0004.59.721688277@student.tc.umn.edu> forb0004@student.tc.umn.edu (Eric Forbis) writes:
- >dk>In article <1992Nov10.230421.15201@nas.nasa.gov> dking@raul.nas.nasa.gov (Dan King) writes:
- >
- >dk>Husbands and wives talking may be a good thing, but is it worth
- >dk>letting government get involved to ensure they talk? We would all
- >dk>have to give up much of our privacy to ensure this. I have had
- >dk>a vasectomy. If I were to ever marry, I think it should remain
- >dk>my choice if I do or don't inform my wife of this fact. I very
- >dk>much oppose someone using force of government into my personal
- >dk>decision.
- >
- >ef>Hey ladies, this is _great_! How do you like it when the shoe's on the other
- >ef>foot? Marry this character and you may not find out for years that you won't
- >ef>be able to have children. His decision dramatically alters your life, yet
- >ef>he denies you your right to know of such decisions. Without saying as much,
- >ef>he has drastically devalued the status of motherhood; yours isn't worth even
- >ef>the pittance of keeping you informed.
- >
- >When I posted this, I kind of figured that there would be some fool that
- >would have trouble understanding the difference between doing something
- >because you believe it is the right thing, and doing something because
- >the government is forcing you to do it. Was I ever surprised when the
- >fool that didn't understand the difference was also someone with no clue
- >on how to use an editor. I guess being clueless in one area can at times
- >result in cluelessness in other areas.
-
- Do you have so little to say that editor flames are necessary?
- I briefly posted from a BBS that automatically stripped out _all_ the header
- data, and I was quickly the recipient of an enormous amount of hate mail
- complaining about not being able to track my references. Not knowing which
- reader used what portions of the header data, I left it alone. Recently a
- friendly net user (ask someone what this might be) who knew his editors gave
- some good advice; problem solved. Imagine that.
-
- As for your government-notification-libertarian-paranoia trip, I'll steal a
- line from Drieux: Get a CLUE, get a BIG CLUE! Stating that a father has the
- right to know what happens to his children begins and ends there; this
- government agency tracking crap is your own personal nightmare.
- >
- >Why don't you give a shot to answering the question I asked Will? Is
- >there any area of your personal life you would rather not have the
- >government involved in? I would assume from your silly little
- >paragraph above that you believe the government should force men to
- >inform future brides of their reproductive ability. How would this
- >be done? When a man has a vasectomy, would their name go in a
- >nationwide database that could be checked prior to marriage?
- >Would you also include laws saying you must inform future
- >spouses about sexual problems, appetites, or dis-functions? Should
- >there be a governmental enforced checklist along with lie
- >detector tests prior to marriage?
-
- None of this is needed, nor has been suggested; seems to just be another
- slimy way to cheat fathers out of their fatherhood. You seem to have missed
- the point of the post: this is an example of spousal notifical with the shoe
- on the other foot. Did you see the recent Northern Exposure episode where
- Hollis, near- sterile, had deceived Shelly, who wishes to become a mother,
- for several years? It's simple fraud; the stuff of divorce and court
- action-- not invasive government agencies.
-
- >
- >What would you say is the value of motherhood Eric? I would
- >guess it is something you know as little about as you know about
- >editors.
-
- I value motherhood and fatherhood equally. You obviously don't.
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- Eric Forbis forb0004@student.tc.umn.edu
-