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- From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
- Newsgroups: soc.history
- Subject: More Pseudo Scholars in Action defending the Ottomans
- Date: 22 Nov 1992 01:33:17 -0600
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- sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic, actually AT&T's very own Hasan B Mutlu) writes:
-
- > >How's this different from the forced religion changes caused by the
- > >angelic Ottomans (tm)?
- >
- > Is this the "perlman-ian" of the week? The following observations by
- > Westerners were written in French by Ahmet Cevat:
-
- Does it make it more credible if it is in French, Mutlu? Is Mr. Ahmet Cevat
- a Turk or not? Nah, he's a Turk alright, but he's objective (in French!)
-
- (* [Many patronising statements] These facts demonstrate that Muslim
- (* countries provided spiritually far better living conditions than Christian
- (* countries."[1]
-
- And,
-
- (* On account of this, the autonomy of minorities in Turkey is better and
- (* more complete than any in the most advanced European countries."[2]
-
- And,
-
- (* Turks never oppress anybody on account of his religion. [3]
-
- And,
-
- (* "In that vast and calm country of the sultan, all religions and nations are
- (* living together peacefully. [4]"
-
- Of course, "(*" is Turkiye's very own..... But some of Djevat's stuff was
- actually written by A. Ubicini.... Any info on Signor Ubicini, Mutlu?
-
- (* [1] Ah. Djevat, "Yabancilara Gore Eski Turkler," 3rd ed. (Istanbul, 1978),
- (* pp. 70-71.
- (* [2] Ibid., p.91.
- (* [3] Ibid., pp. 214-
- (* [4] Ibid., pp. 215-216.
-
- As usual, I won't challenge your statements above. I'll just challenge
- you to produce a NON-Turkish source for any of the stuff above. I am
- sure I can read BAGDHAT NEWS or IRAQI FREE PRESS and see "objectivism"
- all over the place about Iraq winning the MOTHER OF ALL WARS. But coming
- from a country where freedom of expression is questionable at best
- newspapers being collected before publication, movies, poems, Kurdish
- language, etc all censored/forbidden until very recently, etc) I'd have
- a hard time accepting Djevat Bey as anything other than a career paid
- propagandist.
-
- > Serdar Argic
-
- Surely, you jest.
-
- Spiros
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