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- From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
- Newsgroups: soc.history
- Subject: Re: Founding Fathers
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- Date: 19 Nov 92 13:30:39 GMT
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- In article <1eeb9cINN540@fido.asd.sgi.com>
- livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
- > In article <1edhpiINNd47@transfer.stratus.com>,
- jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann) writes:
- > |> The US, at the time of the Constitution, was very worried about
- > |> the collapse of the country, and subsequent takeover by
- > |> European powers.
- >
- > I see, so in fact you are saying that the continuation of
- > slavery was a cynical act of realpolitic? "Agree to let A
- > enslave B, so that A will assist us."
-
- Cynical, no. Realistic, yes. The Founders realized they had
- to compromise on the Constitution, that getting most of what they
- wanted (though not all) is better than getting none of what
- they wanted.
-
- The Founders had two choices: a country which, while slavery
- existed in some parts, or no union whatsoever. There was no
- middle, ideal choice of a country with no slavery. In any real
- situation, you have to make some compromises. If nothing else,
- if you don't get everything you want now, you may be able
- to get it in the future. If you don't comporomise, you probably
- won't get anything.
-
- >
- > Remember the sarcastic comment of Dr Johnson: "How is it
- > that we hear the loudest yelps for Liberty from the drivers
- > of negroes?".
- >
- > It sounds as though you are saying that remaining part of the
- > British Empire - which was soon to abolish slavery itself -
- > was such a hideous fate, that staying out, even at the cost
- > of perpetuating slavery in North America, was preferable.
-
- In balance, yes, especially since the Constitution (and the
- Declaration of Independence) layed the foundation for the
- eventual elimination of slavery (which many of the Founders
- believed). Are you saying that subjugation to a foreign power
- would be preferable? Remember, that this was a foreign power
- that was strictly controlling our trade (no trading rum and
- sugar with the West Indies except via British ships), felt
- that quartering its troops in the houses of Americans was
- quite OK, felt that they could close ports and do whatever
- they damn well pleased, etc.
-
-
- --
- Jim Mann
- Stratus Computer jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
-