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- From: mgflax@phoenix.princeton.EDU ("Marshall G. Flax")
- Subject: Re: My Young Friend Was "Date Raped"...
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- Message-ID: <1992Nov15.185619.24749@Princeton.EDU>
- Newsgroups: soc.feminism
- Organization: Princeton University
- Approved: tittle@ics.uci.edu
- Lines: 43
- Date: 18 Nov 92 18:50:50 GMT
- References: <1992Nov3.131259.29150@cbnews.cb.att.com> <1992Nov4.165953.7823@maths.tcd.ie> <1dcj51INNgc2@agate.berkeley.edu>
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- In article <1dcj51INNgc2@agate.berkeley.edu> uunet!infmx!hartman@ncar.UCAR.EDU (Robert Hartman) writes:
- >
- >Victim: "Go away."
- >Perp: "I'm not going away until you let me kiss you at least."
- >Victim: "If I let you kiss me will you go away?"
- >Perp: "Yes."
- >Victim: "OK, I'll let you kiss me, but then you have to go."
- >Perp: "OK. ... Ooh, that was so good! How about one more."
- >Victim: "No. You should go now."
- >Perp: "I know I should, and I said I would, but that was so good, I
- > really don't want to. Don't tease me like this."
- >Victim: "I want you to go now."
- >Perp: "No you don't. The way you kissed me, I know you want it."
- >Victim: "No I don't."
- >Perp: "Of course you do, or you wouldn't have kissed me like that."
- >Victim: "No, I kissed you because you promised to leave if I did."
- >Perp: "Well, I'm not leaving now until you kiss me again."
- >
- >At what point did the perp cross the line from bargaining to rape?
- >
- >I think it occurred at the last quoted line. The perp made an agreement,
- >then broke it, and demanded an additional sexual favor before performing
- >as agreed. At that point, as far as I'm concerned, it crosses the line
- >into rape.
-
- Sorry -- it actually occurred *much* eariler, at the second quoted line
- above: "I'm not going away until you let me kiss you at least."
- Tresspass, battery (touching her w/o her consent). He *coerced* her
- into physical contact, and that coercion was present for the rest of the
- night.
-
- marshall
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