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- From: farthing@leland.Stanford.EDU (ljf), DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, US
- Newsgroups: soc.feminism
- Subject: camille all over
- Date: 17 Nov 1992 19:01:37 GMT
- Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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- >again. Camille's comments about how women seem to want to break
- >free of these relationships, "No more double standard", to take
- >risks, and yet don't want to take the consequences. Sorry, Sister,
- >it doesn't work like that.
-
- This is one of the things I dislike about Paglia. She seems to be
- saying that if a woman takes the risk of necking with a man in a
- parked car in a remote road, for example, she should be prepared to be
- raped.
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-
- Hm, I really think that lots of arguments like this and recent
- others could be easily cleared up by reading:
-
- Sex, Art & American Culture by Camille Paglia
-
- (I reviewed it recently, and may repost it)
-
- But I would like to address the point raised above. Paglia makes
- a distinction between "date rape" and "real rape" Of course she
- condemns "real rape" unconditionally. As far as the date rape
- scenario detailed above, Paglia would certainly not say
- "be prepared to be raped" She was very clear that it is her wish
- that women have realistic attitudes to the risks they take,
- understand male sexuality so they can better protect themselves,
- take personal responsibility for their own sexuality
- (which means understanding the meaning of body language, mixed
- signals, provacative dress) and not assume that sexuality is
- something that can easily be controlled by chirpy guidlines
- issued by college administrators. Come on now! she never
- abandonded common sense.
-
- Steve Seidman
-
- seid@ee.cornell.edu
-
-
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