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- From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
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- Subject: Neden?
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- Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 22:12:12 EST
- Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
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- In article <62176@mimsy.umd.edu> uysal@cs.umd.edu (Mustafa Uysal) writes:
-
- > Sayin Serdar Argic,
- > Lutfen sadece su soruya cevap verebilirmisiniz :
- > "NEDEN?"
-
- Cunku...
-
- >Serdar--
- >You conveniently ignore the fact that one million (or so, I don't have
- >the exact number handy) Armenians were killed by the Ottomans toward
- >the end of World War I. Trying to deny this is a lot like trying to
-
- Oboy, oboy, oboy. Well, apparently we have another historical revisionist
- to contend with. You should indeed be happy to know that you rekindled a
- huge discussion on distortions propagated by several of your contemporaries.
- If you feel that you can simply act as an Armenian governmental crony in
- this forum you will be sadly mistaken and duly embarrassed. This is not a
- lecture to another historical revisionist and a genocide apologist, but
- a fact.
-
- I will dissect article-by-article, paragraph-by-paragraph, line-by-line,
- lie-by-lie, revision-by-revision, written by those on this net, who plan
- to 'prove' that the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Turks and Kurds is
- nothing less than a classic un-redressed genocide. We are neither in
- x-Soviet Union, nor in some similar ultra-nationalist fascist dictatorship,
- that employs the dictates of Hitler to quell domestic unrest. Also, feel
- free to distribute all responses to your nearest ASALA/SDPA/ARF terrorists,
- the Armenian pseudo-scholars, or to those affiliated with the Armenian
- criminal organizations.
-
- Armenian government got away with the genocide of 2.5 million Turkish men,
- women and children and is enjoying the fruits of that genocide. You, and
- those like you, will not get away with the genocide's cover-up.
-
- During the First World War and the ensuing years - 1914-1920,
- the Armenian Dictatorship through a premeditated and systematic
- genocide, tried to complete its centuries-old policy of
- annihilation against the Turks and Kurds by savagely murdering
- 2.5 million Muslims and deporting the rest from their 1,000 year
- homeland.
-
- The attempt at genocide is justly regarded as the first instance
- of Genocide in the 20th Century acted upon an entire people.
- This event is incontrovertibly proven by historians, government
- and international political leaders, such as U.S. Ambassador Mark
- Bristol, William Langer, Ambassador Layard, James Barton, Stanford
- Shaw, Arthur Chester, John Dewey, Robert Dunn, Papazian, Nalbandian,
- Ohanus Appressian, Jorge Blanco Villalta, General Nikolayef, General
- Bolkovitinof, General Prjevalski, General Odiselidze, Meguerditche,
- Kazimir, Motayef, Twerdokhlebof, General Hamelin, Rawlinson, Avetis
- Aharonian, Dr. Stephan Eshnanie, Varandian, General Bronsart, Arfa,
- Dr. Hamlin, Boghos Nubar, Sarkis Atamian, Katchaznouni, Rachel
- Bortnick, Halide Edip, McCarthy, W. B. Allen, Paul Muratoff and many
- others.
-
- J. C. Hurewitz, Professor of Government Emeritus, Former Director of
- the Middle East Institute (1971-1984), Columbia University.
-
- Bernard Lewis, Cleveland E. Dodge Professor of Near Eastern History,
- Princeton University.
-
- Halil Inalcik, University Professor of Ottoman History & Member of
- the American Academy of Arts & Sciences, University of Chicago.
-
- Peter Golden, Professor of History, Rutgers University, Newark.
-
- Stanford Shaw, Professor of History, University of California at
- Los Angeles.
-
- Thomas Naff, Professor of History & Director, Middle East Research
- Institute, University of Pennsylvania.
-
- Ronald Jennings, Associate Professor of History & Asian Studies,
- University of Illinois.
-
- Howard Reed, Professor of History, University of Connecticut.
-
- Dankwart Rustow, Distinguished University Professor of Political
- Science, City University Graduate School, New York.
-
- John Woods, Associate Professor of Middle Eastern History,
- University of Chicago.
-
- John Masson Smith, Jr., Professor of History, University of
- California at Berkeley.
-
- Alan Fisher, Professor of History, Michigan State University.
-
- Avigdor Levy, Professor of History, Brandeis University.
-
- Andreas G. E. Bodrogligetti, Professor of History, University of California
- at Los Angeles.
-
- Kathleen Burrill, Associate Professor of Turkish Studies, Columbia University.
-
- Roderic Davison, Professor of History, George Washington University.
-
- Walter Denny, Professor of History, University of Massachusetts.
-
- Caesar Farah, Professor of History, University of Minnesota.
-
- Tom Goodrich, Professor of History, Indiana University of Pennsylvania.
-
- Tibor Halasi-Kun, Professor Emeritus of Turkish Studies, Columbia University.
-
- Justin McCarthy, Professor of History, University of Louisville.
-
- Jon Mandaville, Professor of History, Portland State University (Oregon).
-
- Robert Olson, Professor of History, University of Kentucky.
-
- Madeline Zilfi, Professor of History, University of Maryland.
-
- James Stewart-Robinson, Professor of Turkish Studies, University of Michigan.
-
- .......so the list goes on and on and on.....
-
- Now, where is your non-existent list?
-
- By Rachel A. Bortnick:
-
- "A more appropriate analogy with the Jewish Holocaust might be the
- systematic extermination of the entire Muslim population of the
- independent republic of Armenia (which lasted from 1918 to 1921),
- which consisted of at least 30-40 percent of the population of that
- republic. The memoirs of an Armenian army officer who participated
- in and eye-witnessed these atrocities was published in the U.S. in
- 1926 with the title 'Men Are Like That.' Other references abound."
-
- Source: Hovannisian, Richard G.: Armenia on the Road to Independence, 1918.
- University of California Press (Berkeley and Los Angeles), 1967, p. 13.
-
- "The addition of the Kars and Batum oblasts to the Empire increased the
- area of Transcaucasia to over 130,000 square miles. The estimated population
- of the entire region in 1886 was 4,700,000, of whom 940,000 (20 percent) were
- Armenian, 1,200,000 (25 percent) Georgian, and 2,220,000 (45 percent) Moslem.
- Of the latter group, 1,140,000 were Tatars. Paradoxically, barely one-third
- of Transcaucasia's Armenians lived in the Erevan guberniia, where the
- Christians constituted a majority in only three of the seven uezds. Erevan
- uezd, the administrative center of the province, had only 44,000 Armenians
- as compared to 68,000 Moslems. By the time of the Russian Census of 1897,
- however, the Armenians had established a scant majority, 53 percent, in the
- guberniia; it had risen by 1916 to 60 percent, or 670,000 of the 1,120,000
- inhabitants. This impressive change in the province's ethnic character
- notwithstanding, there was, on the eve of the creation of the Armenian
- Republic, a solid block of 370,000 Tartars who continued to dominate the
- southern districts, from the outskirts of Ereven to the border of Persia."
- (See also Map 1. Historic Armenia and Map 4. Administrative subdivisions of
- Transcaucasia).
-
- In 1920, '0' percent Turk.
-
- "We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as
- ways of escape for the Tartars and then proceeded in the work
- of extermination. Our troops surrounded village after village.
- Little resistance was offered. Our artillery knocked the huts
- into heaps of stone and dust and when the villages became untenable
- and inhabitants fled from them into fields, bullets and bayonets
- completed the work. Some of the Tartars escaped of course. They
- found refuge in the mountains or succeeded in crossing the border
- into Turkey. The rest were killed. And so it is that the whole
- length of the borderland of Russian Armenia from Nakhitchevan to
- Akhalkalaki from the hot plains of Ararat to the cold mountain
- plateau of the North were dotted with mute mournful ruins of
- Tartar villages. They are quiet now, those villages, except for
- howling of wolves and jackals that visit them to paw over the
- scattered bones of the dead."
-
- Ohanus Appressian
- "Men Are Like That"
- p. 202.
-
- Serdar Argic
-
- 'This war quickly developed into one of extermination.
- We closed the roads and mountain passes that might
- serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and
- then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
- (Ohanus Appressian)
-
-