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- From: mark@fenris.albany.edu (Mark Steinberger)
- Subject: Re: goy
- Message-ID: <1992Nov23.155429.7201@sarah.albany.edu>
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- Organization: State University of New York at Albany
- References: <1empbmINNbb9@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> <1992Nov23.040258.28472@cs.albany.edu> <92327.2342272893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
- Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 15:54:29 GMT
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- In article <92327.2342272893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
- >WHAT!!!! Jew is not a derogatory word,
-
- In many people's mouths, it is.
-
- Ever heard of "Jewing someone down"? Do you take it as a compliment?
-
- We should get Matt Harrington to post some more tales from his
- childhood. They are instructive.
-
-
- >goy is.
-
- Not in my family's tradition. We have always used it according to its
- literal Yiddish meaning: non-Jew.
-
- I don't see any reason why we should stop simply because some other
- Jews give it negative connotations.
-
-
- >Would you not object to words like kyke, hymie, heeb etc?
-
- These words are different, in that they are directed at a particular
- group.
-
- Also, "kike" and "hymie" were always slurs. There is no legitimate
- word behind any of these but Hebe.
-
- You can call me a Hebe if you like. I will answer to it.
-
-
- >Don't justify racist words by pointing at the racism of others.
-
- You are the bigot here, condemning all Yiddish speakers on the basis
- of the attitudes of some unspecified subset.
-
- Goy is not a racist word.
-
- My illustration was far from a justification of racism. It was an
- illustration of how different people can use the same word
- differently. A given word can be an insult from one person and a
- compliment from another. The former use should not invalidate the
- latter.
-
- --Mark
-