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- From: ls1@cec1.wustl.edu (Lambros Skartsis)
- Subject: Re: Scopjian Flag
- Message-ID: <1992Nov16.231942.7736@wuecl.wustl.edu>
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- References: <1992Nov16.133352.8741@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> <BxtL08.Fs6@gabriel.keele.ac.uk>
- Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:19:42 GMT
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- In article: <BxtL08.Fs6@gabriel.keele.ac.uk>
- cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear) writes:
-
- >That Macedonian couldn't be understood by the ancient Greeks - that
- >sounds like a different language to me.
-
- ...
-
- >How about R.A.Crossland who wrote the relevant chapters for the new
- >edition of the *Cambridge Ancient History* vol.3 pt1, ch.20c.A man whose
- >credentials are unimpeachable.
-
- [etc., etc.]
-
- Ladies and gentlemen,
- I have "complained" several times that these discussion about national
- issues on the net, although unavoidable and very often informative, can
- easily degenerate into fruitless, posting-after-posting, long, boring,
- often fanatic discussions that lead absolutely nowhere...
- One of the worst features of such discussions, however, is that they give
- the chance to third-party netters who wish to discuss and argue for
- the sake of the argument (to put it simply: to have fun!) to jump
- in and start teasing one or the other party. This makes things eeeeeven
- worse, generating even longer threads, often angrier and angrier (!), while
- these third-party netter who don't give a sh*t for the issue really,
- have a good time. I apologize for my style of writing but, please, try to
- see what I'm saying.
-
-
- One such case is, of course, Andy Fear (I won't say any other names - he is
- not the only one however!).
- Andy, for example, goes around teasing
- the greeks on whatever "national issue" they are - or
- could possibly be - sensitive. I have seen him arguing [ just a sample to
- give the readers an idea and exhibit a good example for what I'm saying ]:
-
- - that there are truly two countries in Cyprus.
- - that the turkish invasion of the island was justified because:
- - the greeks were ready to massacre the turkish population.
- - that Turkey is justified in about everything it has done or doing
- (incl. the landing force "facing" the Aegean islands).
- - that modern Slavomacedonia is the continuation of ancient Macedonia.
- - that the greeks oppress their "Macedonian" minority.
- - that the greeks oppress their turkish minority.
- - that there is no freedom of expression in Greece.
- - that everything the slavomacedonians do or claim is OK.
- - that the ancient Macedonians were not greeks, were not speaking greek, etc.
-
- and other interesting stuff...
-
- For the last mentioned issue, Andy uses his knowledge of ancient history
- (which is anyway his topic of studies) to sound more sophisticated and
- often throws names and references that supposedly support his "views".
- And after his cool arguments he mentions that "anyway this has nothing
- to do with recognition of Slavomacedonia" [OK, fine, then why start this
- discussion at all ??!].
-
- Once more: I URGE you, the readers, in case you are interested, to go,
- read and find out for yourselves (there are plenty of libraries around us!).
- Go and read, if you want, about the Macedonian problem that goes on for
- decades in the Balkans; what is the whole story about; who claims what.
- Go and read, if you want, about the ancient Macedonians. See the prevailing
- scientific views and, even more, see the REASONS (i.e., artifacts, historical
- accounts) for these views, so that you can judge for yourselves.
-
- In that I agree with Luben Boyanov: the source of knowledge is there,
- available. All we have to do is to go and get it!
- Get it, so that it want it up to greeks, slavomacedonians, me or
- Andy whether you'll believe A or B, i.e., whether one party or
- the other will sound more "knowledgable", "convincing", "unbiased",
- "sophisticated", "sincere", "cute", etc. , whichever the reasons are
- (national interests or ... pleasure).
-
- This net has become enough of a theater!
-
- Sorry for my tone. And sorry for specifically mentioning Andy, but
- he probably provides the best example for what I am trying to stress.
-
-
- Regards,
- L. Skartsis
-
-