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- From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
- Newsgroups: soc.college
- Subject: Re: Fraternal Reality From a Greek
- Message-ID: <1992Nov19.011103.28890@midway.uchicago.edu>
- Date: 19 Nov 92 01:11:03 GMT
- Article-I.D.: midway.1992Nov19.011103.28890
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- In article <1992Nov18.150031.21368@rtsg.mot.com> gatchall@rtsg.mot.com (Scott W. Gatchall) writes:
- >Gee ... might this be a good indication that these 'pro-frat' arguments
- >are indeed true? hmm ... interesting question, isn't it Ted?
-
- That's not the point. Some of them are true. All of them are irrelevant.
-
- >>It's a remarkable effort at misdirection and mischaracterization. Yeah,
- >>fraternities do a lot of good. But they also do a lot of bad.
- >
- >Damn .. sounds like the government too. Haven't heard you bitch once
- >about that. Maybe this could be a new thread, eh?
-
- In the appropriate newsgroup, you can see me do it all the time. But
- we weren't discussing the government, were we?
-
- >>And the
- >>bad they do can be easily alleviated by going co-ed and eliminating the
- >>pledging process without at all interfering with the good that fraternities
- >>do.
- >
- >If you have been paying attention, you'd have heard that a number of
- >fraternities are co-ed and a number of fraternities have abolished
- >pledging ...
-
- And I've applauded those...
-
- >but I'm sure that once this is fully implemented by all
- >that you'll find another of your 'flaws'.
-
- Not at all. In case you haven't noticed, this is exactly what I'm
- arguing for. And I've joined two. I live with the founder of one.
-
- >Bottom line: You weren't (probably) invited into a fraternity or
- >(probably) booted from one and carry a grudge.
-
- You know, this is also a standard line. Why can't y'all come up with
- something original?
-
- I've gotten into every fraternity that I've cared to. I'm still in both.
-
- >It's written on the wall.
- >I feel sorry for your inability to live and let live.
-
- This isn't "live and let live." Fraternities affect the world we live
- in. If they didn't, then there wouldn't be a problem, would there?
-
- >ACtually, if I remember right .... you started one of these debates
- >a year or two ago about some bad experience with someone in your family
- >and a fraternity (might have been mine).
-
- Good call. A fraternity that didn't like the fact that I had once
- written an anti-fraternity article years ago required its pledges to
- harass my parents.
-
- Disgusting and indicative, but irrelevant in the greater scheme of things.
- --
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