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- From: Dieter Britz <BRITZ@kemi.aau.dk>
- Subject: RE: Yamaguchi's Paper and Resp. To S.J.
- Message-ID: <C1B0E35CB6FF20512A@vms2.uni-c.dk>
- Sender: scott@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Scott Hazen Mueller)
- Reply-To: Dieter Britz <BRITZ@kemi.aau.dk>
- Organization: Sci.physics.fusion/Mail Gateway
- Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:16:27 GMT
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- Originally-From: Jed Rothwell <72240.1256@compuserve.com>
-
- >A note about "credibility" -
- >I have been very upset here because Dieter Britz called Notoya and me a
- >fraud. That has absolutely, positively, nothing to do with science. It is
- >way, w-a-a-a-y beyond the bounds of reasonable, acceptable discourse. You can
- >call me uninformed, or a fool, or whatever you want, but if you say that I
- >have deliberately and consciously perpetrated a fraud, you step over the
- >line, and I will object in the strongest possible terms. Yesterday, someone
- >objected to me by private e-mail, saying that I had lost "credibility." I
- >don't buy that. I was publicly charged with fraud, and I made a VERY LOUD
- >NOISE. I did not lose credibility, okay? Would any of you people ignore such
- >a charge, or just let it slide by with a mild mannered objection? I hope not.
-
- Jed, if you check back, it was you who used the word "fraud", not me. I agree
- that it is too strong a word, and I used words like "PR", "false-front", etc.
- This is not the same. The idea I am getting across here is that the demo was
- set up by someone who believes in the effect, but for the purposes of the
- demo, helped it along a bit, to counteract the poor reproducibility. I still
- say this is the only way I can interpret an ultra-thin wire used the way it
- was. Not fraud, no. I'll admit I did suggest a few more ways to help it
- along. After all, if Notoya can reproduce this effect so reliably that she
- can set up a public demo, then this, not Yamaguchi, should have been headline
- news at the conference and elsewhere. This would be the Big One, the
- breakthrough y'all have been waiting for. Why was it not taken as such?
-
- I am sorry if I upset you, mate - maybe I laid it on a bit hard. You bring
- out the worst in me, with your almost fanatical insistence that every cnf
- claim must absolutely be true, no doubt. HH Bauer has corrected us a few times
- in this group on how a "real scientist" actually works; however, the average
- scientist does exercise a high level of self-criticism and care, and does not
- cry EUREKA everytime an experiment seems to produce a shred of evidence. If
- you were to take this attitude, you wouldn't cause the hackles to go up, as
- you do.
- You have some good examples among cnf researchers. As I have just posted,
- Bush makes some pretty far-out claims, but does express himself very carefully
- and admits some doubts. He holds back with his Eurekas, and double-checks.
- Jones, too, works like this. I expect him, any day, to make a null neutron
- measurement and say so in public. Unfortunately, some of the big players in
- this game are not so straight, and this reflects very badly on cnf as a real,
- believable phenomenon - or a bunch of real phenomena, as you'd say.
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- Dieter Britz alias britz@kemi.aau.dk
- Kemisk Institut, Aarhus Universitet, 8000 Aarhus C, Denmark.
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