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- From: nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos)
- Subject: Re: QM and Free Will
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- Date: 18 Nov 92 00:21:26 GMT
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- In <27811@castle.ed.ac.uk> cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm) writes:
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- >Contrary to the presumption of many posters, there is no necessary
- >connection between lack of free and determinism, or free will and lack
- >of determinism. It would help if posters who wish to presume one or
- >both of these would spend a little time elaborating some decent
- >supporting arguments.
-
- Determinism negates free will. Lack of determinism does not necessarily
- entail free will.
-
- In re my first statement, wherein I disagree with Chris Malcolm, I submit
- another quotation from G. K. Chesterton:
-
- Intelligent skeptics...mean that the universe is itself a
- universal prison; that existence itself is a limitation
- and a control; and it is not for nothing that they call
- causation a chain...To them it is like believing in fairy-
- land to believe in such freedom as we enjoy. It is like
- believing in men with wings to entertain the fancy of men
- with wills. It is like accepting a fable about a squirrel
- in conversation with a mountain to believe in a man who is
- free to ask or a God who is free to answer. This is a
- manly and a rational negation for which I for one shall
- always show respect. But I decline to show respect for
- those who will first of all clip the wings and chain the
- squirrel, rivet the chain and refuse the freedom, close
- all the doors of the cosmic prison on us with a clang of
- eternal iron, tell us that our emancipation is a dream and
- our dungeon a necessity; and then calmly turn round and
- tell us they have a freer thought and a more liberal
- theology.
- _The Everlasting Man_, pp. 242-243
- in the Image Books 1955 edition,
- Doubleday & Company, Inc.
-
- I would have put the part after the last semicolon slightly
- differently: "and then calmly turn around and tell us that we
- still have free will, simply because we are free to do as we
- will."
-
- For if that will is foreordained from the beginning of time,
- it is not free.
-
-