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- From: "Richard H. Miller" <rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu>
- Subject: Re: WWII Battleships
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- Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
- References: <Bxx2Kn.Jr@law7.DaytonOH.NCR.COM>
- Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:23:05 GMT
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- From "Richard H. Miller" <rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu>
-
- In article <Bxx2Kn.Jr@law7.DaytonOH.NCR.COM>, "Edward J. Rudnicki" (FSAC-SID) <erudnick@pica.army.mil> writes:
- >
- > From "Edward J. Rudnicki" (FSAC-SID) <erudnick@pica.army.mil>
- >
- >
- > Richard H. Miller writes:
- > #> Alaska (2), 34K/10K, 33kt, 9x12" guns arranged as above.
- > #
- > #These were never considered to be battleships (or even a battlecruser). The
- > #Alaska class has always been considered to be large cruisers. Their type
- > #designation was CB rather than BB or BC.
- >
- > Actually "CB" for battle cruiser is consistent with USN cruiser nomenclature:
- > "CL" for light cruisers and "CA" for heavy [formerly armored] cruisers.
- >
- > I always felt that the ALASKAs were too big and too well armored to be
- > considered merely heavy cruisers unencumbered by Washington Treaty limits
- > on displacement and armament. IMHO the German Panzerschiffe qualified as
- > "post-Washington" heavy cruisers because their gun size and displacement
- > exceeded treaty limits while their speed and [lack of] armor was decidedly
- > cruiser-like.
- >
- > The ALASKAs are most comparable to SCHARNHORST and GNEISENAU: well-balanced
- > ships with meaningful armor, but with gun size from earlier generations.
- > To bring back a pre-dreadnought nomenclature convention: Second Class
- > Battle Cruisers?
-
- That may be the best characterization. My argument is (and I will confirm it
- by checking the Design series on both cruisers and battleships) that the
- CB class of ships were upgunned cruisers and had the characteristics of
- a very large cruiser. The guns (12") were a new series rather than a
- re-outfitting of some existing guns. As I remember also, they had some armor
- but it was in the same design as the heavy cruisers rather than a battleship.
- AS I remember, the armor was not designed to withstand fire from a comparable
- ship (which was one of the primary characteristics of battleships).
-
- The navy always said the "CB" designation meant large cruiser not battlecruiser
- and they did not have the same guns as the battleships which was one of the
- characteristics of the 'true' battlecruiser.
-
- Most of my references place them firmly in the cruiser family rather than the
- battleship family and this was the point of my original post; they should not
- be classed as a type of battleship.
-
- As far as the nomenclature issue, the USN designation for battlecruisers was
- either "BC" or "CC". I will also check this out when I get home. I have a
- vague memory that the original hull numbers for the Lexington and Saratoga
- were "CC".
-
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