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- From: 01crmeyer@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (Craig Meyer)
- Newsgroups: sci.energy
- Subject: Re: Continuing Steam-Car Discussion
- Message-ID: <1992Nov23.130814.12262@bsu-ucs>
- Date: 23 Nov 92 18:08:14 GMT
- References: <1992Nov17.071642.22601@leland.Stanford.EDU> <1992Nov20.085059.21482@ke4zv.uucp>
- Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's
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- >>> Steam engines normally use the wet steam as a cylinder lubricant.
- >>> No additional oils are required. The "rings" are normally leather
- >>> wetted by the steam. In old locomotives, they lasted 6 months of
- >>> *continous* hard pulling between servicing. Remember that a piston
- >>> steam engine develops maximum torque at stall and is a low RPM
- >>> device. Bearing lubrication can be a simple drip oiler.
-
- > Well stationary plants that operate at 800C don't use lubricants in the
- > steam because they use turbines. Hopefully there's no metal to metal
- > contact in areas reachable by the steam. In old piston plants, as I noted,
- > they used the wet steam as a lubricant. I suspect that GM was trying to use
- > ordinary IC engine rings and thus needed lubricants in the steam.
-
- You're probably right. But using leather at high superheats (which seem
- necessary just to get the thing to be efficient) look like bad news.
-
- If a two-stroke (not double-acting) piston engine were used, what of
- lubricating the piston by spraying WATER on the cylander walls
- below the piston? (Above the piston would be the hot steam, and below it,
- would be the cool water being sprayed on the cylander walls) Some lubricating
- water would leak into the steam system, but that's not a problem.
-
- But as was mentioned, would this not work anyway if we were using
- metal piston rings?
-
- > The other issue with high superheats is how do you generate them?
- > A flash boiler probably won't do. That means the boiler and the
- > superheat exchanger would be much larger, startup time would go
- > from 30 seconds to several minutes, and much more live steam would
- > be in the system making it more dangerous in a collision.
-
- Tell me if this makes sense:
- Imagine two concentric tubes, each of SLIGHTLY different diameter (the space
- betwen them is very tight). Pump the water through the space between the
- tubes, and send the fire down the middle of the smaller tube.
-
- A cross-section would be:
- Outer tube:steam:inner tube:fire:inner tube:steam:outer tube.
-
- By further shrinking the space between the tubes, you could produce a
- very low volume/high surface area boiler. You could make this
- "steam-wall boiler tube" very long, and bend it into compact,
- rectangular shapes. Could this hint at an advance in
- boiler technology?
-
- > Gary
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- Craig Meyer 01CRMEYER@LEO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU
- Indiana Academy for Science, Mathematics, and Humaities.
- Muncie, IN 47306 317-285-7433
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- Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not necessarily
- shared by the Indiana Academy.
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