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- From: pautler@ils.nwu.edu (David Pautler)
- Subject: Re: Ethnobiological Classification
- Message-ID: <1992Nov18.222022.7103@ils.nwu.edu>
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- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:20:22 GMT
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- In article <-1363797538snx@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au>, gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick) writes:
- >
- > In article <1992Nov17.154906.2583@ils.nwu.edu> pautler@ils.nwu.edu writes:
- >
- > > I understand that the cultural divide between Aboriginals and Westerners
- > > may be so great that you must be constantly on guard to prevent us from
- > > underestimating it. But I do believe that the common evolutionary path
- > > we both followed until just recently makes a difference in such a
- > > fundamental activity as categorization unlikely. It's your categorization
- > > of your former student as a dingo that indicates which social obligations
- > > are now relevant, for example.
- >
- > Sorry, I have made no such categorisation whatever. I may well perceive
- > two different objects, one being a human and the other being a dingo,
- > but it does not follow from that phenomenon that as I internalise them
- > I place them in categories, especially framed by any naturally occuring
- > universal taxonomy arising from the structure of my brain.
-
- Let me say this more explicitly: I am as certain as you are that there is no
- Universal Taxonomy. What I am claiming is that the cognitive *process* of
- categorization is universal; the results of this process (taxonomies) differ
- from individual to individual (to say nothing of cultural differences).
-
- You have engaged in this process by conferring 'dingohood' on your former
- student. Your knowledge of dingoes indicates that you should treat them
- in a certain way. It is only by mentally linking your student to dingoes
- that you come to realize that you should treat him as you would any other
- dingo. If you want to call it "linking" or "creating a relationship"
- instead of "categorizing" because you find the latter term misleading,
- I'll accept that. But I believe we have enough common understanding in this
- case that "categorization" should suffice.
-
- > > It's not a capacity argument; I'm merely arguing that vast cultural
- > > differences
- > > don't necessarily indicate a difference in fundamental cognitive activities.
- > > We all categorize, but our cultures may make use of that activity to a more
- > > or less obvious degree.
- >
- > Now you are changing the argument from universal categorisation to
- > fundamental cognitive activities. What I am endeavouring to have you
- > do is accept the notion that while we may all have a capacity for
- > categorisation, we do not all do so. Similarly, we may all have a
- > capacity for mapping relationships instead, but we demonstrably do
- > not all do so. There are other schemata available for making sense
- > of the world, not as rival academic theories but real differences
- > among human cultures, and I merely point out one of these to you.
-
- I haven't changed my argument. Someone else claimed that biological taxonomies
- are pretty much the same across cultures, but I don't think that is correct.
- Various native taxonomies have been found to agree to a large extent at the
- basic-level (e.g. dogs, chairs) but gradually diverge at more superordinate
- (e.g. animals, furniture) and subordinate (e.g. dingoes, stools) levels.
- I've just been claiming that the mental process by which we categorize is
- universal, and I used your example to show why I think this is true of
- Aboriginals in particular.
-
- > I have no interest in evolutionary theory one way or the other, so
- > I am of sublime indifference whether you want to accept what I have
- > said, or how you want to reinterpret it or play with words on the
- > matter. You are free at any time to come and live in the bush with
- > traditional people, and learn about their world for yourself.
-
- I have assumed that you and I were making a sincere attempt to understand
- each other.
-
- -dp-
-