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- From: doctor8@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Jason Abner Miller)
- Subject: Re: Eck Wins MVP in Horrible Voting
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- Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 04:03:00 GMT
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- In article <GRABINER.92Nov23193452@birkhoff.harvard.edu>, grabiner@math.harvard.edu (David Grabiner) writes...
- >Let's look at the difference:
- >
- >BATTERS BA SLG OBP G AB R H TB 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS
- >DEVEREAUX,M .276 .464 .321 156 653 76 180 303 29 11 24 107 44 94 10 8
- >HENDERSON,R .283 .457 .426 117 396 77 112 181 18 3 15 46 95 56 48 11
- >difference 39 257 -1 78 122 11 8 9 61 -51 -38-38 -3
- >
- >The value of that bottom line, is the difference between Devereaux's
- >value and Henderson's value.
- >
- >Now, the meaning of an extra -51 walks is hard to understand, so let's
- >change the 51 walks to 40 singles and 11 outs, which have about the same
- >value to the team (Linear Weights or Runs Created). Likewise, use the
- >three extra CS to cancel six stolen bases, and turn the other 32 into
- >16 extra bases on hits (possibly an underestimate of their value).
- >Ignore the strikeouts.
- >
- >BATTERS BA SLG OBP G AB R H TB 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS
- >difference .184 .320 .184 39 206 38 66 11 4 7 0 0 0 0
- >
- >The runs and RBI columns are blanked out because they don't make any
- >sense in a comparison between leadoff and middle-of-the-order hitters.
- >(If you want the numbers, it's -1 run scored and 47 RBI, neither one of
- >which is reasonable.) Would you like to have a player with this
- >offensive line on your team? I wouldn't.
- >
- >If Rickey could have played an extra 206 AB hurt and put up these
- >numbers, would that make him a better player? It would make him as good
- >as Mike Devereaux. But such play would reduce the number of runs his
- >team scores; I'd rather have Eric Fox playing instead. And since
- >Rickey's job offensively is to maximize the number of runs the A's
- >score, not the number of runs he scores or drives in, I conclude that he
- >was a more valuable offensive player in his 500 plate appearances than
- >Devereaux was in 700.
-
- To reply to all this number theory, allow me to tell my favorite
- baseball story.
- This was during spring training in the 1930's, when Joe McCarthy
- was managing the New York Yankees. A beat reporter asked him who his
- favorite Yankee player was, or something to that effect, and he replied,
- "Joe Gordon", the Yankees' 2B at the time.
- When asked to explain why, Marse Joe called Gordon over, and asked
- him, "Joe, what's your batting average"?
- Gordon answered, "I don't know".
- "Well, how many home runs do you have?"
- "I don't know"
- McCarthy then said, "That's what I like about Joe. He doesn't
- care about his numbers, he just goes out there and beats you any way he
- can."
-
- I feel baseball has definitely lost something since the time of
- this anecdote. When Vince Coleman and Jose Canseco learn to play like
- this, I'll have more faith in true baseball again.
-
- >
- >
- >--
- >David Grabiner, grabiner@zariski.harvard.edu
- >"We are sorry, but the number you have dialed is imaginary."
- >"Please rotate your phone 90 degrees and try again."
- >Disclaimer: I speak for no one and no one speaks for me.
-
-
- Jason Miller
-