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- From: ps3p+@andrew.cmu.edu (Peter A. Simon)
- Newsgroups: rec.scuba
- Subject: Re: Terminology (and other things)
- Message-ID: <of40mMq00iV243aKd9@andrew.cmu.edu>
- Date: 22 Nov 92 22:41:28 GMT
- Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
- Lines: 62
- In-Reply-To: <1992Nov20.165902.3569@jet.uk>
-
- Excerpts from netnews.rec.scuba: 20-Nov-92 Terminology (and other
- things) by Erik van der Goot@jet.uk
- > With respect to Lee Vogt's posting I would like to say that:
- > a:
- > carrying out dives with planned decompression stops has got nothing to
- do with
- >
- > professional diving or recreational diving. As a matter of fact, most
- > professional divers would never do planned 'in water' decompression stops.
- > they get hauled out of the water and plonked into a surface decompression
- > facility.
-
- WRONG: The US Navy Surface Decompression Tables using air and the US
- Navy Surface Decompression Tables using oxygen both require in water
- decompression stops depending on time/depth. Sometimes a dive profile
- is planned (as when working on a complex project at depth, the maximum
- limits are used) but usually they are not. The person running a dive is
- paying very careful attention to the surface decompression tables to
- make sure they are not exceeded, and by the time a diver leaves the
- bottom this person knows exactly where the first stop is and for how
- long. Commercial divers get to know very generally what their stops
- should be and, in my experience ALWAYS check the work of the person who
- worked it out for them. Unfortunately, this happens after the
- decompression in over and accidents have happened!
-
- Furthermore, in spite of what you may have heard, commercial divers
- frequently use scuba, and, believe me, we are VERY careful to plan our
- dives. Other than exceeding certain limits that recreational divers may
- or may not have been taught and/or pay attention to, we are as careful
- as any novice to watch our time and depth so as to be within the
- PRE-PLANNED decompression stops.
-
- If there is great uncertainty we may write two or three sets of stops on
- our slates BEFORE THE DIVE and select the appropriate one when we leave
- the bottom but we certainly don't carry the U.S. Navy tables with us.
- Exceptions to this are when decompression meters are used (but the diver
- still has an excellent idea of what he is going to do where, including
- his stops) and some French divers who I have seen using some very
- simplified tables which they take along with them.
-
- > b:
- > Without looking at any tables here, I will not be far off by stating that the
- > maximum time you could stay at 40m (130ft) without having to do a
- > decompression stop is probably about 12-15 minutes. And this is when you
-
- It is 10 minutes so you are off by 20%-50%--enough to get you badly
- bent. Another thing about commercial divers (the ones who are alive,
- anyway) is that they NEVER memorize the tables, nor make off-the-cuff
- statmenets about them.
-
- > 'professional diver'. Another reason for doing a staged decompression
- dive >is
- > that it actually gives you the opportunity to stay well within the tables,
- > rather than dive them to the limits and fool yourself in thinking you are
- > safe 'because I am not doing a decompression dive'!!
-
- This is a good point. It would be interesting to see the statistics on
- bends with no-decompression dives vs. bends gotten as a result of
- decompression dives.
-
- Peter
- NAUI Inst. #1434
-