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- From: burke@doright.Tymnet.COM (John Burke)
- Newsgroups: rec.railroad
- Subject: More air brake questions
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- Date: 23 Nov 92 22:08:30 GMT
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- More air brake questions
-
- I have some more questions about air brakes.
-
- (Thanks to the folks who answered my queries on brakes a few months ago,
- esp. Steve Hooper, Mike Stimac, and Andrew Waugh. If you would like
- to know what was said, just drop me e-mail)
-
- (My LocoCab simulator is proceeding rather slowly at present due to
- my employer wanting me to WORK ... just 'cause there's a crisis! Oh,
- well. I'm hoping to have something toward the middle of next year,
- but, I don't know... . Yes, this will be a real cab-view simulator;
- queries welcome.)
-
- Anyhow I want to simulate these details, and would like to get them
- right. QUESTIONS:
-
-
- * What happens if the engineer keeps brakes applied for a long time, for
- example, on long downhills? And if he releases partially and then
- re-applies, and does this several times? Will this cause the various
- cars to eventually have different pressures in their brake cylinders
- because of their slight difference in reaction to several changes of
- pressure? Are there standard procedures and cautions for engineers,
- to avoid problems here?
-
-
- * Details of operating a 26L brake: it`s only on the New York subway that
- I've had much opportunity to watch how one works a brake handle. Their
- most common brake nowadays (except on R44-46 cars) seems to work like
- the mainline railroads' 26L brake: as I understand, you move the handle
- farther right for a greater reduction of trainline pressure and thus
- stronger braking, and left to raise pressure and ease off the brakes.
- Now, what I've seen the NYC subway
- motorman do normally is: throw the handle rather far right, then move it
- back immediately some distance left; but after that, they use smaller
- changes in position of the handle to re-adjust braking. Application
- appears to always involve a right-then-left motion, but for less
- distance to get a lighter increase; while release appears to be done with
- just small movements farther left. Does this sound like the same
- operation as on mainline locomotives with a 26L brake?
-
- I also remember the pre-WW-II New York cars with the old Release-Lap-
- Apply type of brake handle, like the mainline standard 24L brake;
- watching the motorman work those, you could
- see just where the positions were. But I believe even some of the
- old cars had special nonstandard stuff in their braking systems, like
- electric brakes.
-
-
- * Details of the old 24L brake control: this is the older type of
- control formerly used on standard mainlines, with positions from
- left to right:
-
- Release, Running, First Service, Lap, Service, Emergency
-
- where in normal operation you use Service to release air, applying
- brakes, Lap to hold at that pressure, and Running to pump air back
- in up to normal pressure.
-
- Question is: do the Running and Service positions have a range so
- that, for example, if you move the handle farther right in Service
- the pressure drops faster?
-
-
- * Lag time: can anyone tell me what a typical lag time would be after
- moving the handle to do an application or release, for some typical
- train lengths, like 10 cars versus 100 cars?
-
- * What would typical trainline pressure reductions be for 1) a very
- minimal application, and 2) maximum in normal service?
-
- * NYCTA experts: do the subway trains differ greatly from the mainline's
- 26L brake on these points? I'll definitely be simulating the subway.
- Maybe some other cities too.
- I believe almost all New York trains still use an air line through the
- train. Exceptions: I read they experimented with an electric circuit
- using voltage drop analogous to air-pressure drop. And anybody know
- what system is used in R44-46 cars? I know these have a fancier
- single-handle throttle/brake with a speed-control option.
-
- * Gauges: which readings can the engineer/motorman see on air gauges
- in typical control setups?
-
-
- * Other related info which anybody has for me?
-
-