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- Subject: Re: Why long end of engine forward?
- Message-ID: <1992Nov23.102556.6543@gw.wmich.edu>
- Date: 23 Nov 92 10:25:56 EST
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- In article <921123101940@d-cell.ftp.com>, stev@vax.ftp.com (stev knowles) writes:
- >> >Does anyone know why Norfolk Southern (and their ancestors, N&W and
- >> >Southern) runtheir engines long end forward?
- >>
- >> I always speculated that the powers that be had such a strong tie
- >> to steam power that they chose to operate diesel locomotives in a
- >> way resembling steam locomotives, with the cab at the rear end.
- >>
- >>I think it was actually because the crew is better-protected when the long
- >>hood is between them and a gravel truck they're about to crunch.
- >>
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- >
- > i have read that the reason for the long hood forward was as james sez, the
- > crews were much better protected in the event of a collision. the high short
- > hoods were ordered to allow for more space for crew and for radio control of
- > mid train slave diesels ( LOCO-TROL, as i recall?). it also may have had
- > something to do with the high short hoods on the GP9's, and having them buy
- > stuff they understood . . . . .
- >
- > recent purchases by NS have not had the high short hood, and have been set
- > up to run short hood forward. i believe that the GP 50's were the last units
- > bought with the high short hoods. on occasion i have seen GP60's and
- > DASH8-39B's with the F on the long hood. i am somewhat surpised that NS
- > hasnt been buying wide short noses, since they have always been concerned
- > with the space in the cabs. maybe it is that ole time southern conservatisim
- > . . . .
- >
- > does anyone know why NS seems to have liked buying their high power road
- > diesels with B trucks rather than C trucks? i noticed that their future
- > purchase plans (from CTC board?) indicated they were going to purchase
- > mostly 6 axle units, but i dont think i have ever seen any 6 axle units
- > other than the SD40's and SD40-2's (but, then again, living in mass i only
- > see NS when visiting my parents in virginia)
- >
- > does anyone know if the SD-60 or SD-70 are available with a high short nose?
- > i would imagine that if it came down to it, EMD would put high short noses
- > on SD-60's if NS promised to buy some, but i dont know. i wont ask about
- > the GE's, since they were *always* homely with high short noses. . . . .
-
- NS has C39-8's which are C trucked, I don't believe they have DASH 8-39B's
- I think only BN has those (Leased from LMX) They also have 4 SD70's on order,
- they are the first railroad to order these, as far as I know. They will be the
- standard cab design. They supposedly have an Early 93 delivery date.
- I'm also sure that if someone ordered a high-short hood, that EMD would build
- it. They usually will custom build, rather than lose the business to GE.
- (Oh yea, I just remembered, they have a TON of C40-8's. [I prefer calling them
- Cxx-* rather than DASH 8-xxC , and so do most railroads :^)]
-
- Hope this helps,
- Fred
-