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- From: bjs@RUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Barry Sherman)
- Newsgroups: rec.photo
- Subject: Re: Contrast mask woes
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- Date: 23 Nov 92 21:51:06 GMT
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- Reply-To: bjs@RUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Barry Sherman)
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- Michael C. Adler writes:
-
- >I tried to make a contrast mask this weekend for a 35mm transparency and
- >now have a question. The scene was essentially a black and white image
- >(though taken on Kodachrome) of a deep black volcanic peak with patches
- >of snow as well as very puffy clouds behind it. There is about a 5 stop
- >difference between the detail in the clouds and the detail in the mountain
- >and the actual detail within each object covers about 1 stop in each range.
- >Your basic printing nightmare.
- >
- >It just so happens that dodging would work perfectly well for this image
- >since the two separate exposure areas are rather easily separated but I
- >wanted to try using a contrast mask to find out what the effect would be.
- >
- >I made a mask that seemed about the minimum density to make the image
- >printable without dodging. I wouldn't say the cloud region was especially
- >dark. The mask had relatively low but perceptible detail (developed about
- >1/3 of normal) and was unsharp. When I laid the mask over the slide a miracle
- >occurred: the subtle detail in the clouds disappeared completely. The mask
- >compensated perfectly for the original and generated a very nice gray.
- >
- >I don't believe using an intermediate highlight mask would have worked since
- >the detail was too subtle. I'm also not convinced that I can make a mask
- >with much less contrast (perhaps I'm wrong).
-
- Ya know, there are two ways to go about highlight masking. One, the
- intermediate highlight mask and the other a highlight "bump" mask. I'm
- almost an expert on the subject since I just got back today from a 3 day
- workshop on masking for Ciba printing. :-) I already understood the
- basics but the instructor had lots of nifty ideas that made it well
- worth while.
-
- I suspect that the highlight mask could work - it's just a matter of making
- it strong enough. I'm assuming here that you're referring to working in
- register and making a negative mask with density only in the highlight
- areas to be sandwiched with the original when making the contrast reduction
- mask, thereby reducing contrast *in the contrast reduction mask*, preventing
- contrast reduction in the highlight areas in the final print.
-
- If that's a safe assumption then you could make a stronger mask. Either
- expose it longer, develop it longer or both. It might take a little
- experimentation. What I found *really* useful about this workshop was
- the way that the instructor used potassium ferricyanide (Farmers Reducer)
- to tweak highlight masks. He made one which was as dense as he wanted
- in the highlight (enough so that the highlight would not show detail in
- the final contrast reduction mask) but that left lots of other stuff
- showing in the highlight mask which should not have been flattened in
- the contrast reduction mask. Then he just poured a little potassium
- ferricyanide in a beaker, added some water and painted it on the
- areas of the highlight mask that should have been clear. When he dipped
- it in some fixer the silver just vanished, leaving him with a strong
- highlight mask, but only in the areas where it was desired! Sometimes
- he had to paint and dip a few times to get the effect that he wanted, but
- it worked well.
-
- The other type of a highlight mask is called a "bump" mask. This is made
- with a reversal litho film named Kodak LPD4. When developed in D11 it
- produces a mask which is all black except for the highlight areas. In use,
- one makes a base exposure with the original and the contrast reduction
- mask. Then one, in the dark, removes the contrast reduction mask and
- places the bump mask on top of the original. One can then make a very
- localized "burn" exposure on only the highlights, restoring contrast within
- those areas. Alternatively, of course, one can use regular Kodalith and
- contact print the first exposure onto another sheet to get one which is
- all black except for the highlights.
-
- All of this assumes the ability to work in register.
-
- It sounds to me as if a strong intermediate highlight mask might be the
- easiest way to go, rather than trying to find an exposure which would
- differentiate the 1 stop difference in densities in the highlights. It might
- be that after making the base exposure with the contrast reduction mask
- you would find that the clouds had detail but had been reduced in value
- too much. In that case it'd be easy to make a bump mask which was clear
- over all of the cloud area and make the bump exposure to raise the value of
- the clouds.
-
- >Any suggestions on what I could do differently?
-
- Not really, other than the above. The instructor strongly recommended using
- Pan Masking film since it is designed to give unsharp masks. He said that his
- tests indicated that it's not a low-contrast film as is often said. He found
- that its contrast is about that of Tmax 100. He recommended developing in
- HC110 diluted 1:11 from stock for 2 inutes for a 20% mask, 3 minutes for a 30%
- mask ... Exposure to be determined by the individual for his/her own
- equipment.
-
- For intermediate highlight masks he recommended using Kodalith Ortho film
- developed in dilute D11 (I forget the dilution). For highlight bump masks
- he recommended Kodak LPD4 developed in straight D11.
-
- He also mentioned what he called a "super mask" in which he made an
- intermediate highlight mask and then contacted it onto another sheet of
- Kodalith, developed in dilute D11. The result, when sandwiched with the
- original and used to make a contrast reduction mask, permitted *increasing*
- highlight contrast while lowering highlight values, resulting in increased
- highlight contrast with lower over-all contrast.
-
- Lotsa fun stuff that you can do with masking. 'Course digital imaging
- techniques will make it all obsolete in a few years. Guess I'll have to find
- a new hobby then. :-)
-
- Barry
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