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- From: bjs@RUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Barry Sherman)
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- Subject: Re: Contrast mask for Ciba's (was Re: Chrome prints other than Ciba's)
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- Date: 18 Nov 92 20:06:25 GMT
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- Anthony Tse writes:
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- >> Much about masking ciba deleted.
- >
- > What kind of masking film do you use? I tried TMAX100 and that
- >plain doesn't work. The film shrank after drying and the registration
- >became way off, not to mention the boulder size grain.
-
- I first used FP4, a film with noticibly more grain than TMAX100 and had
- no complaint about the grain. I couldn't see grain from the mask in my
- prints, even those made from 35mm. But I had trouble getting rid of the pink
- stain and did find that objectionable.
-
- When I started doing materials testing as described in Bob Pace's book on
- Cibachrome printing I found that I needed a higher film speed in order to
- get much of an image on the mask. I wound up using TMAX400. I found the
- masks made with this to be acceptable except that they were too dense. Too
- much density in the shadows. The reduced development times/developer
- concentrations required to get the low contrast desired resulted in longer
- exposures and they resulted in unacceptable levels of fog.
-
- Finally I broke down and got the stuff recommended in Bob's book and by
- professionals with whom I've spoken: Kodak Pan Masking Film. It's a trifle
- more expensive than most b/w sheet films at ~$65 for a 50 sheet box. But
- it's designed explicitly for masking and to have a low Dmax and low contrast.
- Using the techniques in Bob Paces book makes it possible to get the mask
- exposure/development correct the first time on the majority of masks and that
- helps to reduce the cost of masking and make the high cost of the film more
- palatable for me.
-
- Bob Pace's book on masking for Cibachrome printing was reviewed in the March
- 1992 issue of Camera and Darkroom and is available from the author at: (702)
- 896-2515, complete with accompanying video, for ~$100. And it's well worth
- the expense, although his techniques do require a densitometer and his
- writing's terribly difficult to understand.
-
- Basically, what Bob Pace has you do is to determine the exposure scale of the
- paper you use, as exposed in your enlarger. This is the density range of the
- original that can be recorded on the paper. Then you use a Kodak three-step
- gray scale to make trial exposures on the masking film. You find an
- exposure-time/development-time that yields the desired minimum contrast in the
- mask and another exposure-time/development-time that yields the desired maximum
- contrast in a mask. Then you can make a graph of exposure times and
- development times for producing various contrasts in masks. Then you can
- compare the density range of the original with the exposure scale of your
- paper, determine the contrast required in the mask and use the graph to
- determine how long to expose and how long to develop the mask.
-
- Of course, there is a correction to allow for the fact that your original
- probably has an overall density which is different than the average density of
- the gray scale that you used in your materials testing. And I'm finding that
- I need a mask even when the density range of the original is within the bounds
- of the paper and so am modifying the technique to suit my needs.
-
- I've not noticed any problem with film shrinkage with any of these three
- films. I have, however, heard people complain about unequal expansions/
- contractions of the original and the mask and being able to print only when
- the humidity matched that present when the mask was made. I've not
- experienced this yet, though. But I'm rather new to masking and am not
- a good sample population. Or, maybe since my darkroom has wet and dry sides
- combined in the same room, the humidity is consistently high. Or maybe
- since most of my efforts have been with 4x5, these effects have been minimized.
- I dunno ...
-
- Barry
-
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