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- Subject: Roll over, Pavlov.
- Message-ID: <1992Nov23.075930.459@news.wesleyan.edu>
- From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
- Date: 23 Nov 92 07:59:29 EDT
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- Just FYI, I posted a question to sci.psychology, and got this response:
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- From: christo@psych.toronto.edu (Christopher Green)
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- In article <1992Nov21.132641.449@news.wesleyan.edu> RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg) writes:
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- >There's been a debate going on in rec.pets.dogs that is driving me *nuts*, over
- >whether or not one must have a model (or a guess, or knowledge, or whatever) of
- >what a dog is *thinking* in order successfully to train it, or whether just
- >being able to observe its *behavior* is enough.
- >
- The whole point of the behaviorist movement was that you did not. In fact,
- many behaviorists claimed that there was no such thing as thinking to model.
- The experimental facts seem to show, however, that there are many associations
- that are much more difficult to condition than others. This points to the
- existence of something more than a "black box" mediating the learning of
- such associations. Behaviorists have a series of explanations for this
- problem as well (most of which amount to, "it's not our problem; it's the
- problem of the brain scientists/evolutionary theorists"). Also, there are
- very few real behaviorists left in psychology (they call themselves
- "experimental behavior analysts" now), though they always claim their
- numbers are growing. Almost veryone believes that an understanding of
- an organism's "cognition" is crucial to understanding it behavior (provided
- of course you're interested in animals much above the frog in the phylogenetic
- scale).
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- Christopher D. Green christo@psych.toronto.edu
- Psychology Department cgreen@lake.scar.utoronto.ca
- University of Toronto
- Toronto, Ontario M5S 1A1
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- Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
- Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
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