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- Date: Wednesday, 18 Nov 1992 13:15:54 CST
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- Subject: Re: broken kittens leg!!!!( Latins and animal cruelty )
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- >ph600fcy@sdcc14.ucsd.edu (Matthew Harrington) writes:
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- >Regarding Joel Sanchez's article:
-
- >Well, I surely didn't mean to be a racist, but I do think that
- >criticism about other cultures is not necessarily racist.
-
- >Where have I "heard" this information? My other roommate is a Latin
- >American History graduate student and has traveled frequently in
- >that region. He has seen first hand the abuses that animals suffer
- >even with children. He has one story of a puppy being smashed by an
- >approximately 50 pound rock by a child barely strong enough to lift
- >the rock.
-
- >Also, a relative takes in boarders, and she once took in someone
- >from South America. He was abusive towards her dog to the point
- >that he was unwelcome in the house.
-
- >The kitty-abuser living with me now has told stories of her family
- >smuggling endangered Amazonian monkeys into New York City by
- >tranquilizing them and putting them in their suitcase. They
- >sometimes survive the trip only to perish in the decidely
- >un-tropical clime of Long Island.
-
- >And, I would not consider myself a racist by pointing out that the
- >Latin tradition of BULL FIGHTING certainly is not humane treatment
- >of animals.
-
- >I try not to make "ignorant and uninformed statements", as you say,
- >and I do not think that I have done so.
-
- > Matt Harrington
-
- >--
- >---------------------------------
- >Matthew B. Harrington
- >mbharrington@ucsd.edu
-
-
- To be able to state categorically that Latin countries have a
- tradition
- and culture that supports and encourages animal rights abuse, one has
- in the first instance to define what exactly is a "Latin Country".
- As an American, presumably you mean the countries of S. America in the
- first instance and also including Spain, Portugal, Italy and maybe
- even France.
- Let us start with the countries of S.America. You state several
- cases of abuse that you have heard of. They sound very much like
- cases of poverty to me. The abuse and sale of exotic (and domestic) animals
- for profit is a feature of many third world countries. Eg. the
- export of exotic birds and terrapins in SE Asia. These are not Latin
- countries.
- From Spain we often hear reports of animals being abused in religious
- festivals, or bizarre throwbacks to pagan traditions. These have included
- goats & donkeys et. al. These sort of activities are marginalised to
- rural communities. Bullfighting is a cruel sport that is practised in Spain
- & Portugal, however there are parts of Spain (eg. Galicia in the NW) where
- there is no tradition of bull-fighting. In Portugal the bull in not
- killed in the fight, but merely teased. So we have two Latin countries
- that on closer examination do not wholly embrace the abuse with which you have
- charged them. As for France & Italy I do not know of any abuse that might
- occur other than that found in any other European country.
- >
- Let us turn our attention to some "non-Latin" countries.
- >
- In Eastern Europe & Turkey wild bears are captured, their ribs are
- broken
- to reduce their strength, and they are trained to fight mock battles
- and perform purile tricks in order to please passing tourists.
- In the UK, foxes are hunted down by people on horses and packs of s
- hound
- and upon capture the foxes are torn to pieces by the pack. Badgers are
- interrupted in their sets and set upon by dogs who are themselves badly
- hurt before killing the badger. The police and RSPCA are continually
- investigating evidence of dog-fighting (esp. with the Pit Bull dog
- which originally came from the USA) and despite the accepted view
- that the "sport" is widespread, there are few convictions. Finally
- the same authorities monitor closely the cruelty which occurs to farm
- animals when transported as livestock between the UK and its
- European partners, where operators ignore rest stop and feeding requirements
- resulting in stress and death of the animals.
-
- So your hypothesis that cruelty to animals is peculiar to Latin
- countries has been seen to be false by a simple existensial argument.
-
- William Ferreira.
-
- --
- Bill Ferreira (bill@uk.ac.warwick.dcs)
- Dept. of Computer Science,
- University of Warwick,
- Coventry CV4 7AL, ENGLAND.
-