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- From: jbbb+@andrew.cmu.edu (Joshua John Buergel)
- Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial,alt.music.alternative
- Subject: Re: Negativland - U2 story from a different perspective
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- Date: 22 Nov 92 00:26:34 GMT
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- On 21-Nov-92 in Re: Negativland - U2 story ..
- user Gregory Sherwin@ocf.berk writes:
- >Now I noticed a lot of people who have harped on U2 and especially Island
- >records for the major lawsuits slapped on Negativland. And yes, I think
- >to some extent there are freedom of speech issues involved. However, I
- >do get the unnerving feeling that there is a good deal more of blame that
- >should be attributed to Negativland for the way they handled themselves.
- >
- >My first reaction was that I wanted to burn any Island record or CD I
- >owned, but then I started to think some about the situation. Negativland
- >KNEW what they were doing when they got into that mess. I don't think they
- >were so naive not to think that coming out with an album with a huge
- >'U2' on the cover and samplings from the group wouldn't bring lawsuits
- >and the like from Island Records. They knew where this thing was headed,
- >and they went along with it and did it anyway. I hate the corporate
- >factorization of music as much as the next guy in this newsgroup, and
- >I think that the music *industry* is total slime. It is very unfortunate
- >that this had to happen - and personally I think there were some very amusing
- >shots in the ribs of U2 that Bono and the like well deserved. But it's
- >like if you leave your keys on the hood of your car in New York City.
- >If your car gets stolen - that is a crime. However, I have the right to
- >say you are stupid for doing so.
-
- Negativland did know that they might get into trouble for releasing this
- stuff (they figured incorrectly, however, that it would be Casey Kasem
- that would come down on them like a ton of bricks). They had those
- outtakes from AT40 for a long time, as they had been given to them
- during the Escape From Noise tour by a fan. What they failed to
- anticipate was SIZE of the reaction from Island. Two days after the
- release of the record a 180 page legal document showed up. The band and
- SST wasn't expecting a reaction this big from Island, figuring that they
- were too small to notice (and let's face it, 12,000 copies of _U2
- Negativland_ aren't going to make a dent in U2's profits, and might not
- even have sold out had it not been for the publicity). A knee-jerk
- reaction from Island completely crushed the band. Ironically enough,
- the legal action is going to end up costing Island $10,000 (they spent
- $50K on prosecuting, and are getting $40K back). If they had just
- ignored the single, nobody would have cared and one of the finest jokes
- ever played on the music industry would have been allowed to survive.
- N'land was a bit naive, but don't forget that the ultimate decision to
- release the single was Greg Ginn's, and he chose to release it. As the
- owner of a label with gross sales of $5 million last year, he should
- have known better.
-
- >I am not so sure that this whole U2 thing with Negativland was not, in
- >part, designed as some kind of publicity stunt. All I can say is that
- >it obviously worked to some extent - I doubt Kasey Casem ever heard of
- >Negativland before all of this (seeing all the cuts from _Helter
- >Stupid_ he used to play on the air).
-
- I think it is completely possible that they were going to try to play
- for some publicity here. But what happened is that the magnificant
- stupidity of the record industry caught them flat footed. And they got
- burned. Yes, they were stupid. But no, they shouldn't have their
- careers ruined for no good reason. It is pretty easy to say that they
- were friggin' stupid, but they still deserve our support.
-
- Joshua Buergel - allroy@cmu.edu - jbbb@andrew.cmu.edu
- "Anybody who thinks we overstepped the playground perimeter of lyrical
- decency (or that the public has any right to demand 'social
- responsibility' from a goddamn punk rock band) is a pure natural dolt,
- and should step forward and put his tongue up my ass." - Steve Albini
-