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- From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
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- Subject: TANGENT (sort of): Re: What is art?
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- Date: 19 Nov 92 20:25:19 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov19.150117.21507@cbnews.cb.att.com> ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
-
- >That's not meant as a slam on his obvious literary gifts. Tolstoy
- >was a great novelist, but he was great in the same way that all
- >great novelists are great - because he wielded language superbly.
-
- Most of the time, I agree with this. But occasionally someone like
- Dostoevsky comes along ... I've read all his stuff, in various
- translations, and I think he's a very mediocre stylist. But his books are
- nonethless great. I don't read his prose and think -- wow! What a way
- with words! It's more what he's saying than the words he's using. His
- characters are just amazing. I feel the same way about Victor Hugo.
-
- >The story of Abraham is essentially the same story as Homer's "Odyssey"
- >is essentially the same story as Chaucer's "Canterbury Tales" is
- >essentially the same story as Twain's "Huck Finn" is essentially the same
- >story as Conrad's "Heart of Darkness" will be essentially the same story
- >as Lauren's new novel :-).
-
- Oh wonderful, lump me in there with Chaucer, Conrad, Twain and GOD. If I
- wasn't intimidated about writing before, I SURE am now.
-
- Obviously there are significant differences
- >in setting, development of characters, use of language, and so on, but
- >they all involve journeys from safe, comfortable worlds into unknown
- >territories, and they all deal with how those journeys reveal the central
- >characters' true natures.
-
- Well, in a sense all good fiction does that. I think you downplay plot a
- bit too much, though I would agree is isn't the be-all.
-
- >I disagree. Reading Cliff Notes (the outline form of the play) or watching
- >"Valley Girl" (which simply updates the R&J plot) can't even *begin* to
- >convey the sadness and pathos of Shakespeare's story. The sadness and
- >pathos are communicated through the language that Shakespeare used.
-
- And, I think, the intricacy of thought involved. Shakespeare plumbed
- greater depths of meaning, which I think exemplifies good art. It's
- important to be able to wield the tools fo the trade well, be it the pen
- or the piano, but great art goes beyond excellent style or proficiency.
-
- >How do these ideas translate over into Christian mu ... er, I mean
- >music made by Christians? Well, once again, I'd say that the plot
- >is largely overrated. We all know the basic plot. We can read it
- >in the Bible. I hope nobody reads that as a criticism of the Bible.
-
- I'll bet you do! Someone will, though, regardless.
-
- >Obviously it's the plot that tells us truly who God is, and who we
- >are, and how to bridge the gap between the two. But we already
- >*know* the plot. And music that simply parrots what the Scriptures
- >have to say, or that merely paraphrases what the Scriptures have
- >to say, is boring, boring, boring.
-
- We disagree big time here. I absolutely love a great deal of music that
- does nothing but parrot the Scriptures, in particular a lot of the songs
- used by the Scots with their psalter and Gregorian chants, not to mention
- Handel's Messiah and Mozart's Ave Verum (my favorite Easter song). I also
- like quite a few paraphrased Scripture songs. The best of them remind me
- of truths at times when I really need them, and by doing so through music,
- they seem to carry a greater power than if I had simply heard or read the
- Scriptures they're based on.
-
- >It seems to me that the task of Christian musicians is to start with
- >the basic truth of the Scriptures and work it out in every aspect of
- >their lives.
-
- As you say, that's the task we all share. Sometimes, I think, that
- expresses itself in the way you point out in this post. Other times,
- though, singing Scripture is one of the most powerful and uplifting things
- musicians can do. I remember the first time I heard "Do you not know,
- have you not heard, the Lord is an everlasting God?" sung; it impacted me
- in ways it hadn't before. Not to mention hearing a chorus of voices
- singing Handel's melody with "King of kings and Lord of lords."
-
- >On second thought, skip the bratwurst. Go with low-fat turkey franks
- >instead.
-
- Much harder to rhyme, though.
-
-
-
- --
- The trick of reason is to get the imagination to seize the actual world --
- if only from time to time. -- Annie Dillard, "An American Childhood"
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