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- From: zowie@daedalus.stanford.edu (Craig "Powderkeg" DeForest)
- Subject: Re: PHYSICS OF STEERING (long) (was Re: What would you ride on a long...)
- In-Reply-To: tomes@iastate.edu's message of Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:45:54 GMT
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- Organization: Stanford Center for Space Science and Astrophysics
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- Date: 22 Nov 92 20:29:35
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- In article <By1GoI.MAz@news.iastate.edu> tomes@iastate.edu () writes:
- In article <foo> zowie@daedalus.stanford.edu (ME!) writes:
- >In a weightless environment, the c.r. (1/2 way between the contact patch
- >and the c.g.) would be stationary during the roll ...
-
- Oh -- well, yes. Sorry. I was kind-of out to lunch ( I really have to stop
- posting without sleep ) about the location of the c.r.; I was thinking about
- another problem I'd done about a year ago, involving frictive forces etc.
- Of course it revolves about the c.m. -- that's the first thing in lots o'
- physics 100 courses. Of course, the diagrams were all wrong too -- the c.r.
- *is* the c.m. in all of 'em...
-
- [Damn -- there goes the rec.moto credibility rating... :-]
-
- The reason for the dig at non-physicists is just that we have lots and lots
- of postings of the `Well if you don't countersteer you're not a real man' --
- `well *I* countersteer but *you* don't' -- `no you don't you turn the wheel
- LEFT' -- `no I turn it RIGHT' type of argument. Countersteering just
- isn't that complicated or magical.
-
- >BTW, in a very tight turn the top half of you (the rider) is significantly
- >closer to the center of rotation of the yaw, than is the bottom of you.
- >This means that `down' is tilted more, relative to the horizon, for your
- >bike and your feet, than it is for your head, so you might notice your
- >back swaying a little while your balance tells you your straight!
-
- Yaw is referenced to ground for the bike, but to the bike for the rider?
- I don't worry about it when I ride, and it isn't a problem here.
-
- No, no problem -- just a cool (and small) thing to notice when you're scraping
- the pegs in a parking lot...
-
- My passengers do what I
- instruct them to before they ride: look over the inside shoulder in a turn.
- Or else they very quickly become pedestrians.
-
- You teach gymnastics? :-)
-
- Bone up on your classical physics before you go jobhunting.
-
- Or learn to keep my big steenkin' mouth shut if I haven't slept for 36 hours
- or so...
- --
- Craig DeForest -- `Before hitting "F", ENGAGE BRAIN'
-