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- From: karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish)
- Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
- Subject: Re: Motorcyclist Hits Bicyclist on Skyline Blvd.
- Date: 16 Nov 1992 16:53:56 GMT
- Organization: Mindcraft, Inc.
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- In article <BxFqB0.3K4@news.iastate.edu> tomes@iastate.edu () writes:
- >
- >I see that you have no real problem with the content of my post, just my
- >attitude. I hope that your aversion to rider training is not contagious: there
- >are probably many lurkers here who could benefit from a MSF course, either a
- >basic RiderCourse or an Experienced RiderCourse.
-
- If you still don't get the point, let me spell it out for
- you: I have no aversion to rider training, and I never
- expressed such an aversion in anything I posted. I do have
- a certain amount of disdain for people who get preachy
- about rider education every time they hear about an
- accident.
-
- >The last line of your post suggests
- >(erroneously) that exhaust note prevents accidents by making drivers aware of
- >your presence.
-
- It's especially annoying when the preacher jumps in without
- taking any notice of the specifics of the accident under
- discussion. This was a particular freak circumstance under
- which loud pipes may actually have alerted the bicyclist
- and helped make an accident less likely. Whatever you
- think about generalizations as to whether loud pipes are a
- useful safety device, it's dumb to deny that there are
- occasional events where they could be helpful.
-
- >Satistics have shown that loud exhausts are not
- >underrrepresented in accident studies: this means that the same accidents
- >happened whether the exhaust was loud or quiet, all other factors being equal.
-
- It means nothing of the sort. By itself, such a statistic
- means that bikes with loud pipes are involved in about the
- same number of accidents. If there are two fewer accidents
- because bicyclists hear the bikes and two more because
- drivers are startled by loud pipes, the statistics are a
- wash.
-
- >Since you don't seem to have any real arguments about the accident,
-
- Nonsense. I made a specific argument about the accident,
- and you didn't understand the context well enough to see
- it.
-
- >or the
- >relative value of rider education, please don't color the attitudes of the
- >rest of the net towards the MSF with emotional gibberish that might convince
- >a new rider that the MSF courses are not worth her/his time.
-
- There's scant risk that many readers will misinterpret my
- article so completely that they'll read it as anti-MSF
- rather than anti-kneejerk-MSF-worshiper.
- --
-
- Chuck Karish karish@mindcraft.com
- (415) 323-9000 x117 karish@pangea.stanford.edu
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