NetNews Usenet Archive 1992 #27/NN_1992_27.iso/spool/rec/martial/14722

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From: [e-mail] (Bill Burgar)
Subject: Re: George A. Dillman?
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 13:05:00 +0000
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>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>>Steve Weigand ([e-mail]) writes
>>>I've been reading a lot about a karate instructor named George Dillman
>>>in some of those cheezy karate/kf magazines. He has a series of video
>>>tapes about how to apply pressure points into fighting - a subject that
>>>continues to interest me.
>>>Thanks,
>>> - Steve Weigand
>>>  ([e-mail])
>>
>>Yes, I've trained on one of his seminars and I have seen the first
>>6 vidoes. He is for real and is worth visiting. The people he knocks
>>out are really out and not all of the knockouts are on the neck. The
>>arm ko's are most impressive as far as I am concerned.
>>
>>One word of warning - be very careful in practicing these techniques
>>as nobody really knows how or why they work (although some people think
>>they have a good idea). The reason that they were put into Kata in
>>the first place was to allow safe practice. From the weekend my right
>>arm is tingling and numb on and off (especially when I type - this post
>>is killing me!) It is supposed to go away after a few days, I hope it does!
>>
>>Take care.
>>Bill Burgar.
>
>A quick question on being knocked out by the pressure point strikes...
>How much force was used to attack the points? Was it just his finger
>on the skin of outside the point and then he pressed in with a lot of
>force, or was it that the strike came from far away (like a punch) and
>hit you? Or none of the above?


From what I can see from repeated watching of the tapes, and comparing
notes with others the impact is not a sharp thrusting punch like movement.
It is not just skin contact. It seems to be a slap with a heavy hand. i.e.
the strike is not hard but it feels heavy when you do it. Its very hard
to put into words. If you understand heavy slow kime then you will know
what I am describing otherwise you'll have to get the tapes for yourself.
Sorry!


>
>I've done a hell of a lot of research on the subject by now. I've read a
>lot of texts about this subject, and I've asked a lot of people a lot
>of questions about it. Still, I haven't been able to knock someone out
>with it. I have a pretty good idea how to do it, but I guess I haven't
>really had the chance to practice it. (Nobody seems to want to be my
>training partner -- wonder why?)
>


Tell me about it! We have formed a small study group here to investigate
further. We are at the stage of VERY GENTLE experimentation. We are
most concerned that we do not fully understand what we are doing or
the effect it may have and so we are not doing any techniques that we
don't understand. The ones we are practicing are the techniques for grabbing
wrist points etc.


>From my research, I've understand that striking on the points is
>considered very dangerous. When you strike a point, you are not only
>just striking a nerve, you're effecting actual physical changes in the
>organs that the meridian you are hitting on goes through. In other
>words, if you attack the large intestine meridian along 3 points, you
>could shut down the person's large intestine... he could die. So it
>really behooves one to learn about chi flow and meridians, (the
>zhang fu organs of Chinese medicine), before striking aimlessly. I
>think the best place to start is with acupuncture.
>
Yes, I agree with this. It appears that you must do the "set up" work
first and then strike the major point. It is rather like an illusionist.
When you watch someone knocking someone else out, don't look at the hand
that appears to be doing the main strike. watch the other hand- that is
where the real action is. Currently I am gathering information from
acupuncture, shiatzu and reflexology sources. It's clear to me that it
is very dangerous to play with this stuff. I think it is very important
that we use restraint with these techniques just as we do with our
other techniques. For example I would like to know if I could KO someone
with a Jodan Mawashi this kind of experimentation at someone
elses expense is not really very sensible.


>But I do want to say that one thing I am pretty sure about is that
>striking on the points is VERY BAD. Lord knows what kind of damage is
>being done when that happens, especially if the organs that the
>meridian travels through is relatively week or already sick. For
>instance, the arm has the heart eridian running through it on the
>inside of the arm. There is a couple pressure points on the heart
>meridian in the arm. If I struck them, one after the other, and then
>I struck a 3rd point on the chest (above the nipple), which is on the
>heart meridian, then look out! Not only can you suffer a black-out,
>but if you have a bad heart to begin with, you may find yourself having
>a heart collapse within a day or so. So it's very nasty to be playing
>with these things without knowledge of where one is hitting.
>
>>Any comments?
>
>Thanks,
> - Steve Weigand
>  ([e-mail])


Take Care!


Bill Burgar.