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- From: mikel@Apple.COM (Mikel Evins)
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- Subject: Re: Aikido, jujutsu, aiko-jutsu, etc...
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- Date: 23 Nov 92 01:31:03 GMT
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- In article <1ejvliINN6g5@male.EBay.Sun.COM> scheid@danzan.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
- >
- >I would suspect that most peoples have ground fighting & the like
- >The real question is if there is a Chinese style which literally
- >practices lots of constriction techniques on a partner as well as
- >applying asundry headlocks, armlocks, leglocks and combinations
- >of the three?
-
- Well, as I say, the style we practice are not specifically
- throwing styles or locking styles; rather, the various styles
- have different strategic emphases, often using such techniques.
- It's common in our forms practice, one-on-one technique practice,
- and in sparring to see people attmpting chokes, arm-bars,
- wrist-locks, flying scissors, leg-locks, arm-sweeps, foot-sweeps,
- standing knee-locks, hip-throws, projections, pins, rolls,
- dives, and so on.
-
- >Still, to say that a Chinese style has some throws is not the same
- >thing as getting on a Judo or Jujutsu mat and taking 50-100 throws.
- >Even Karate has some throws, but the practice is pretty limited.
-
- I dunno; over the past four weeks of our Down and Ground class
- I estimate I've taken roughly 200-400 falls. On concrete without
- a mat, as a matter of fact, although we have do a carpet. I
- have one unpleasant bruise on my right knee, but I didn't get it
- in Down and Ground class; my co-instructor executed a nasty
- takedown in some Tai Chi sparring.
-
- >So, back to my original comment; I see the relationship between what
- >I term Yawara and Chin Na (they are basically one and the same except
- >the Japanese have [IMO] a greater emphasis on stability). I do not know
- >nor have seen any emphasis on Throws, Constrictions, and Grappling which
- >is prominent in Jujutsu (Judo) in Chinese styles. I would say that
- >these Japanese arts are basically independent of Chinese styles. Any
- >similiarity might be coincidental.
-
- That may well be.
-
- >Indeed, many throws and constriction
- >techniques are 20th Century Japanese origin. Grappling has been influenced
- >by British/American catch wrestling.
-
- As it turns out, a couple of my students are wrestlers; they
- certainly help to keep Chin Na practice interesting. They also force
- students to practice good technique in foot sweeps if they
- ever hope to knock them down. Wrestlers seem to have quite
- good balance.
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