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- From: velde2@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Francois Velde)
- Subject: Re: Byzantine Flags, and Another Question
- Message-ID: <1992Nov19.173842.20538@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>
- Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
- References: <721933845.F00001@ocitor.fidonet>
- Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:38:42 GMT
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- In article <721933845.F00001@ocitor.fidonet> Tim@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Tim) writes:
- >
- > EO> In the Time-Life series Great Ages of Man, in their book covering
- > EO> Byzantium, there was a picture of a monastery in Greece flying what they
- > EO> said was the Byzantine flag. As nearly as I could figure out what it was
- > EO> they were flying, it was:
- > EO> Gules, a two-headed eagle displayed sable.
- >
- > The two-headed eagle was, so far as I know, primarily associated with the
- > Holy Roman (post-Charlemagne western) empire; I know of no instance of its
- > use by the Eastern empire.
-
- Not only was it used by the Eastern Empire, it may well be that its adoption
- by the Holy Roman Empire (late 14th, early 15th c.) was in imitation of the
- Eastern Empire. See Woodward's Treatise on double-headed eagles. And, since
- you have Neubecker's book handy, check out his maps that show the use of
- charges like crosses, lions, eagles and fleur-de-lys across Europe. You
- will notice the double-headed eagle Or on a field Gules for Byzantium.
-
- As I described in my post on Balkanic heraldry, the Byzantine double-headed
- eagle was adopted contemporaneously by Serbia (its color changed to Argent).
- The 19th and 20th century Balkan states (Serbia, Montenegro, Yugoslavia) also
- used the double-headed eagle Argent.
-
- Further evidence can be found in the arms of former imperial families
- that moved to Western Europe or married into Western European families:
- look up Lascaris, Paleologue, Comnenos in the Rietstap to find multiple
- variants of the double-headed eagle, often with imperial crown.
-
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- Francois Velde
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