From: amoreno%ocf.Berkeley.EDU@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Andre S. Moreno)
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Subject: Re: AMT .380, Colt Mustang, or other?
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Date: 16 Nov 92 16:46:21 GMT
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In article <1992Nov14.180840.5974@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
#scylax!tiglath@uunet.UU.NET writes:
# I said:
###I'm not saying the Glock is bad, but it is single action: the gun
###cannot be cocked using the trigger.
#
##If you must categorize guns into single action or double action,
##the day will come soon when you will not be able to do so. Glock is
##a step in that direction, with their action described as "safe action."
##However, the Glock trigger cocks the gun every time, read the manual.
##When you pull the slide back the firing
##pin (it has no hammer) is half cocked. When you pull the trigger
##to the first pressure point (travel 0.2 in.), the firing pin is
##put in full tension, or "fully cocked". Pulling the trigger past
##that fires the weapon.
#
##If the choice is between single and double action, by your definition,
##the Glock is a double action pistol.
#
# It half-cocks. You cannot cock the gun using only the trigger.
#You cannot cock the gun without moving the slide. If you hit a dud
#you cannot hit it again using only the trigger*. When this is
#the case, you know you have a sigle action gun, _a gun whose trigger
#cannot fully cock and release the hammer_.
#
##the day will come soon when you will not be able to do so. Glock is
# That day has not yet come however.
#
#* I know about tap rack bang. I don't want to discuss the merits of
#this act, merely that it is impossible with single action guns, and
#impossible with the glock.
#
#I regret having to be right on this matter, because I feel you will
#never accept that lable for your gun. 8^)
#
#Jim Del Vecchio
#
Sorry, Jim. Tap, rack, BANG does work with a Glock. Also with a Glock there is
no such thing as a retry on a misfire. The Glock firing pin DESTROYS the primer (i.e., leaves a HUGE chisel shaped deformation in the back of the primer).
Therefore, there is only one way to fire a Glock.
1) Put a round in the chamber (this also half cocks the weapon).
2) Fire the gun.
If the gun goes off,
It will either cycle properly, and you are ready for the next shot,
Or it will (short-cycle, misfeed, stovepipe, jam, etc.), in which case (with any
auto) you need to cycle it manually (thus half-cocking it again...).
If the gun doesn't go off,
And you are at the range, the primer is JUNK, and your best bet is a delayed
hangfire, wait 30-60 seconds for it to cook off, manually cycle it, and fire
again.
If the gun doesn't go off,
And you don't have 30-60 seconds to spare (self-defense situation), again the
primer is JUNK (were you trying to cut corners by using old, reloaded, or
second hand DEFENSE AMMO?!?!), and the time it takes to pull the trigger again
is time lost from the tap the mag to seat it, rack the slide to dump the JUNK
round, and BANG the perp is toast exercise. The only risk is that the JUNK
round will hangfire with the slide partially in battery, and the safety of your
hand can be mostly ensured by practicing tap, rack, BANG while consciously
keeping your hand clear of the ejection port (a tad more difficult,
but definitely
possible.) Why do you think gun manufacturers only ridge the slide BEHIND the
ejection port. Perhaps it's too subtle a hint for some of us....
