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- From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
- Newsgroups: rec.climbing
- Subject: Re: learning to lead
- Message-ID: <1992Nov18.225504.21352@nas.nasa.gov>
- Date: 18 Nov 92 22:55:04 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov16.074809.20172@watson.ibm.com>
- eru@titlis.zurich.ibm.com (Erich Ruetsche) writes:
- >BUT this is not an argument for learning to lead ! Today leading should be
- >learned in a fault tolerant environement.
-
- F-T: you must be working with Liba Svobodova on fault tolerance. 8^)
- I think in general we would not disagree with you, but we recognize the
- inherent hazards of the activity. We fool no one by ourselves.
-
- >I really don't think that it is necessary that todays beginners have to make
- >the same very long way to leading I (we ?) made 10-15 years ago :
- >climbing second, climbing 1st in easy grades, climbing 1 in hard grades and
- >bad pro, first ascent in hard grades and finally nice climbing with
- >good bolts (see above).
-
- Personally, I don't see a duration associated with the apprenticeship which
- most leaders go thru. Gifted climbers will pass thru the above no sweat,
- but I chuckled with nice climbing and good bolts coming last. I would hope
- they got to that before bad pro climbing.
-
- >I know that it can be problem to learn the 2nd step, but that is not
- >necessary for many people. They stay in their overbolted area and are happy.
- >People who learn it this way learn it fast and may become excellent climber
- >and alpinists. ^^^
-
- See I think that "may" is part of the issue. What do you suggest instead
- of the progression (crawl before you walk ...climb)? Learning to lead
- on the first day? Etc.
-
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