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- From: andy@hendrix.ece.uiuc.edu (Andy Bereson)
- Subject: Re: A social problem
- References: <1992Nov11.130451.25299@cs.brown.edu> <2670163@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM> <BxzK4u.41y@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <1992Nov20.234953.15068@pony.Ingres.COM>
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- Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
- Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 19:49:57 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov20.234953.15068@pony.Ingres.COM>, www@Ingres.COM (Bill White) writes:
- |> In article <BxzK4u.41y@news.cso.uiuc.edu> bereson@cs.uiuc.edu writes:
- |> >In article <2670163@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM>, bsmith@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Smith) writes:
- |> >|> In rec.boats, jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes) writes:
- |> >|>
- |> >|> Any suggestions? Any ideas *why* these people cannot imagine a healthy woman
- |> >|> in her 30's rowing a boat?
- |> >|>
- |> >|>
- |> >|> If you make an issue of it by making some smart answer that is
- |> >|> intended to teach them a lesson, you will not have achieved nothing,
- |> >|> you will have achieved a negative affect. If they are leather necks,
- |> >|> nothing you say will make them change their minds; if they are not,
- |> >|> you will spoil their day and they will wonder why.
- |> >|>
- |> >
- |> >This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ is a
- |> >fine example of the sexist attitudes that the original post was trying
- |> >to do his share to eliminate. It is the same attitude that leads to
- |> >debacles such as the hill-thomas affair.
- |> >
- |> [rest of tirade deleted]
- |> >--
- |> >Andy Bereson bereson@cs.uiuc.edu (217)244-3617
- |> >
- |>
- |> Andy, I think you're way off base here. This poster wasn't suggesting it's
- |> ok to make sexist remarks, s/he was just pointing out that a dumb remark
- |> made innocently and with the intent to simply be friendly shouldn't be
- |> treated in the same way as one made with malice. Read the last paragraph
- |> again. You don't change behavior by being vicious toward people who are
- |> just trying to be friendly. Punishment isn't the only way to teach.
- |>
- |> --Bill
-
- An offensive comment is offensive whether it is intended as friendly or
- not. If the reply one makes to an offensive/friendly comment spoils
- the other person's day and makes them wonder why (as suggested above)
- then it does not accomplish nothing, as suggested above.
-
- The sort of sexism I refer to above is the sort of sexism by default.
- The poster I was responding to suggested ignoring the problem. It is
- ignoring the problem which will, at best, accomplish nothing.
-
-
- --
- Andy Bereson bereson@cs.uiuc.edu (217)244-3617
-
- "Creatures inveterately wrong in their inductions have a pathetic
- but praiseworthy tendency to die before reproducing their kind" -Quine
-