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- From: www@Ingres.COM (Bill White)
- Subject: Re: A social problem
- Message-ID: <1992Nov20.234953.15068@pony.Ingres.COM>
- Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501
- References: <1992Nov11.130451.25299@cs.brown.edu> <2670163@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM> <BxzK4u.41y@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
- Date: 20 Nov 92 23:49:53 GMT
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- In article <BxzK4u.41y@news.cso.uiuc.edu> bereson@cs.uiuc.edu writes:
- >In article <2670163@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM>, bsmith@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Smith) writes:
- >|> In rec.boats, jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes) writes:
- >|>
- >|> Any suggestions? Any ideas *why* these people cannot imagine a healthy woman
- >|> in her 30's rowing a boat?
- >|>
- >|> Please, John, don't make a social issue out of this in the boating
- >|> world. There is already too much hate going around as one group of
- >|> people snaps and snarls at other groups in situations that *usually*
- >|> do not warrant it.
- >|>
- >|> Yes, there are some people out there who still believe that a woman
- >|> can't do (insert your favourite item here...). But most of the people
- >|> who say things like that are just trying to be friendly and looking
- >|> for something that they can break the ice with. It's just another way
- >|> of saying "What a wonderful day." They make a *what is intended to be
- >|> a harmless joke* and their expectation is that you will just smile and
- >|> wave. Ships that pass: a pleasantry made. That's all it is.
- >|>
- >|> If you make an issue of it by making some smart answer that is
- >|> intended to teach them a lesson, you will not have achieved nothing,
- >|> you will have achieved a negative affect. If they are leather necks,
- >|> nothing you say will make them change their minds; if they are not,
- >|> you will spoil their day and they will wonder why.
- >|>
- >
- >This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ is a
- >fine example of the sexist attitudes that the original post was trying
- >to do his share to eliminate. It is the same attitude that leads to
- >debacles such as the hill-thomas affair.
- >
- [rest of tirade deleted]
- >--
- >Andy Bereson bereson@cs.uiuc.edu (217)244-3617
- >
-
- Andy, I think you're way off base here. This poster wasn't suggesting it's
- ok to make sexist remarks, s/he was just pointing out that a dumb remark
- made innocently and with the intent to simply be friendly shouldn't be
- treated in the same way as one made with malice. Read the last paragraph
- again. You don't change behavior by being vicious toward people who are
- just trying to be friendly. Punishment isn't the only way to teach.
-
- --Bill
-